Planned Parenthood Bombed in Wisconsin

[Geiseric]

Yeah, fuck machinists, auto-makers, farmers, and all those who rose up to support workers rights last year. Stupid fucking juggalos.

I was joking, sorry. I'm sure the midwest is an awesome place to live.

[Lilith]

TheGodlessUtopian

Again, to say that religion is exclusively a reaction to material conditions and nothing more, and, by extension, that it is somehow, in and of itself, a neutral force, is completely mechanical. Ideology is not simply the product of material conditions and nothing beyond that. The relationship goes both ways. Christianity in America serves to reinforce the very material conditions that spawn and necessitate it. Therefore, to oppose said material conditions is also to oppose Christianity, not to make excuses for it.

[The Jay]

TheGodlessUtopian

Again, to say that religion is exclusively a reaction to material conditions and nothing more, and, by extension, that it is somehow, in and of itself, a neutral force, is completely mechanical. Ideology is not simply the product of material conditions and nothing beyond that. The relationship goes both ways. Christianity in America serves to reinforce the very material conditions that spawn and necessitate it. Therefore, to oppose said material conditions is also to oppose Christianity, not to make excuses for it.

Whilst I agree with your premises, I disagree with your conclusion. To oppose the material conditions that Christianity uses to maintain it's existence is not the same as opposing Christianity. Take the analogy of a flower next to a stream, if one opposes the stream's current position, which the plant drinks from, and moves it via a canal the plant is removed from it's water source. This does not mean that the canal builder opposes the plant, as the builder will not stop the plant from getting water some other way: rain, mist, ect.

[Lilith]

Oh Jesus, no more inane analogies, please. If you want to make an argument, then make the argument.

[The Jay]

Oh Jesus, no more inane analogies, please. If you want to make an argument, then make the argument.

Oh Jesus, no more complaining. If you want to address my argument, in which I will use whatever tool I choose, including analogy, then do so. If you can't feel free to complain some more.

[thriller]

I was joking, sorry. I'm sure the midwest is an awesome place to live.

Ahh, well I get that sort of reaction from people who don't know the history of the Midwest and its working class roots. However, I totally agree: fuck juggalos. Magnets, how do they work?

[Os Cangaceiros]

Personally I think that the midwest is probably the most interesting region of the USA.

I wouldn't want to live there, though, with the possible exception of some parts of rural Montana and Wyoming.

[dodger]

Christian morons up to their old tricks. They are an affront to civilized people. See quite clearly here they have their apologists. Their fanatical hatred of people who just want to get on with their own lives without pope or god is breathtaking. Join the ranks of animal rights , extreme environmentalists, primitivists , Bologna bombers. Dawkins you were correct POPE IS ANTI-HUMAN, SO IS THEIR DOCTRINE. Oppose them on every level, kick'em back. Silence may be golden, often is. Cowardice and known by another name liberalism wont make our lives any better or the political scene easier. Their strategy of closing down all debate must not be allowed to succeed, give them a taste of their own medecine. These despicable christians are worthless.

[Ocean Seal]

Personally I think that the midwest is probably the most interesting region of the USA.

I wouldn't want to live there, though, with the possible exception of some parts of rural Montana and Wyoming.

Wait what?

[Os Cangaceiros]

I like the scenery. Montana and Wyoming are beautiful states.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I will spend many days tending my garden in my tiny cabin somewhere in rural Montana. When I'm not harvesting kale I'll be sending thoughtful letters and packages to various figures in government and the business community.

[Welshy]

I like the scenery. Montana and Wyoming are beautiful states.

Montana and Wyoming aren't a part of the midwest, though Montana does have some beautiful geography.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Montana definitely is part of the upper midwest! According to MY definition*

The west coast: states bordering the Pacific
The east coast: states bordering the Atlantic
The South: Former Confederacy, usually I'm willing to accept that the border between Maryland and Virginia is the dividing line
The Southwest: Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada etc
The Midwest: everything else!

[Welshy]

Montana definitely is part of the upper midwest! According to MY definition.

The Upper Midwest is, as defined by the National Weather Service, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wisconsin. Even for me this is too inclusive as I would just get rid of Iowa and the Dakotas as they are too plains state-ish for me. Montana is a plains state (or at least partially because of the mountains in the west). Plus it lacks the same historical/cultural connections a lot of the Midwest has with each other.

On topic: While this is horrible, I do think that people are too quick to blame Christianity as a whole in typical new atheist fashion and that bcbm does raise a good point about the loss of industry in a lot of midwest (and because of this jobs) being a cause for the rise in more extreme forms of christianity.

[Lilith]

Oh Jesus, no more complaining. If you want to address my argument

There is nothing to address. You didn't actually make an argument.

[The Jay]

There is nothing to address. You didn't actually make an argument.

Then I'll re-phrase so that you can understand it. The issue of whether or not Christianity's interests or sustenance is threatened by an attack on those interests and sustenance is irrelevant to the question of what party is being attacked. This is due to the fact that attacking Christianity's current source of patrons is not in fact cutting off every possible source of patronage, as those other possible sources are spared from assault. Is that clear enough for you?

[Lilith]

Then I'll re-phrase so that you can understand it. The issue of whether or not Christianity's interests or sustenance is threatened by an attack on those interests and sustenance is irrelevant to the question of what party is being attacked. This is due to the fact that attacking Christianity's current source of patrons is not in fact cutting off every possible source of patronage, as those other possible sources are spared from assault. Is that clear enough for you?

Haha, no. Its actually complete gibberish. I will just assume that you have some sort of problem that prevents you from talking like a normal human being.


Also, just as a general statement... I am not a "new atheist", nor am I a "militant atheist". I have no sympathy for Dawkins or Hitchens or company. But such people have no sway in the American political landscape anyway, and they are given an atrociously disproportionate amount of attention on this website in relation to the actual influence they have, by people who would rather attack an irrelevant boogeyman, i.e. "New Atheism", than confront the dominant ruling class ideology in their society. What a spineless lot. Its pretty pathetic.

[dodger]

The Upper Midwest is, as defined by the National Weather Service, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wisconsin. Even for me this is too inclusive as I would just get rid of Iowa and the Dakotas as they are too plains state-ish for me. Montana is a plains state (or at least partially because of the mountains in the west). Plus it lacks the same historical/cultural connections a lot of the Midwest has with each other.

On topic: While this is horrible, I do think that people are too quick to blame Christianity as a whole in typical new atheist fashion and that bcbm does raise a good point about the loss of industry in a lot of midwest (and because of this jobs) being a cause for the rise in more extreme forms of christianity.

So who were those crows at my door trying to get me to sign their petition? Creepy dressed like something from a carry on film or Ealing comedy...just nobody was laughing. The abortion issue, contraceptives to combat aids, indoctrination of our children, money grabbing from state education my own brother had to kick out these parasites from the residential home for mentally ill. Their money grabbing ways and interference in clinical matters were horrendous. Potentially life threatening. If their ideas are laughable , then guffaw if it pleases you ...if their ideas endanger you or yours , why not kick them and keep kicking them until they stop what they are doing. Why don't catholics tell the pope to fuck off out? He is largely ignored...judging by the Irish accents I heard in the Family Planning Clinic. The private and very expensive abortion clinic I accompanied a friend of a friend to was full of people from Latin countries. Rich people. Utter hypocrisy no small part of why christianity is despised. New atheists as you call them are but one voice. So what other voices are to be raised? There are legions of the silent, who just wish those buggers would all perish and leave the rest of us to live in peace.

Stop making excuses for cretins....they can do that for themselves.

[The Jay]

Haha, no. Its actually complete gibberish. I will just assume that you have some sort of problem that prevents you from talking like a normal human being.


Also, just as a general statement... I am not a "new atheist", nor am I a "militant atheist". I have no sympathy for Dawkins or Hitchens or company. But such people have no sway in the American political landscape anyway, and they are given an atrociously disproportionate amount of attention on this website in relation to the actual influence they have, by people who would rather attack an irrelevant boogeyman, i.e. "New Atheism", than confront the dominant ruling class ideology in their society. What a spineless lot. Its pretty pathetic.

First of all, you're starting personal attacks. Second of all, nowhere did I mention "new atheism". Thirdly, if you can't understand what I wrote, in two different ways, then you are the one with the problem. Fourthly, I think that you're just trolling.

[Lilith]

First of all, you're starting personal attacks.

It was merely out of frustration, but in any case, I apologize.

Second of all, nowhere did I mention "new atheism".

You are correct, you did not. That part of my post was not addressed to you.

Thirdly, if you can't understand what I wrote, in two different ways, then you are the one with the problem

I don't think so, actually. Your last post literally made no sense at all.

Fourthly, I think that you're just trolling.

Incidentally, I am not.