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Many Christians are anti-abortion but many would never kill people or blow up abortion centers due to their spiritual beliefs. The proof is in the pudding: If such trends were true you can bet there wouldn't be any abortion centers anyone (not under a theocracy).
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Does this mean we can bomb churches
Religion, as well as Christianity, is an violent section of humanity. Christian preachers continue to call for violence against Abortion Clinics all across the United States. Until the Religious Zealots have been dealt with, violence such as this will continue to occur.
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There are very, very few abortion centers in America nowadays, incidentally.
Not really in the bible it says "Eye for an Eye" or "Tooth for an Tooth".
Meaning if a woman wants to have an abortion and kill her baby(in the bible life is conceive at conception, and isn't sciencetific at all)and the doctor is about to abort the baby it is to ok to kill the doctor because the doctor is taking a life that cannot defend it self, so it life for a life.
Do you follow that belief or are you merely stating their logic?
Society does not consist of individuals but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand. ~ Karl Marx
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Meh, sounds like one of those lame incendiary bombs that anarchists leave burn marks on banks with. I felt certain that crazy Christian fundie wingnuts would know more about explosives than that...
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Yes, we want to make your wife a radical feminist lesbian, we want to forcibly gay marry you to a leatherclad bear, we want to send your kids into white slavery at the court of a black communist dictator, we want to paint your church red with the blood of christian babies, we want to set fire to your ikea and your SUV, we want to rape your labrador with the broken pieces of your white picketed fence.
We want to wage nuclear war on the nuclear family.
why? because we are pinko freedom hating commienazi atheist bastards, its just what we do.
~psycho
What about the famous turn the other cheek?
Yes, we want to make your wife a radical feminist lesbian, we want to forcibly gay marry you to a leatherclad bear, we want to send your kids into white slavery at the court of a black communist dictator, we want to paint your church red with the blood of christian babies, we want to set fire to your ikea and your SUV, we want to rape your labrador with the broken pieces of your white picketed fence.
We want to wage nuclear war on the nuclear family.
why? because we are pinko freedom hating commienazi atheist bastards, its just what we do.
~psycho
The result of conservative activism and religious pressure, not Christian terrorism.
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What a shame these dirty christians can't leave people to carry out what is often one of the simplest of simple medical procedures. Bombs or a gauntlet of baying christian bigots.Clearly designed tactics, off the shelf, what's next for them picket Jewish shops?
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I wouldn't exclude the terrorist element. It's a fringe element that has a lot of influence.
I hadn't seen this site before: http://abortiondocs.org/ The effect of this when there is terrorist element in the anti-choice movement basically puts everyone on a hit list.
Yes, exactly. This notion, which seems for some inexplicable reason to be commonly held amongst people on this website, that Christianity is a neutral force in America, and that somehow religion isn't part of the problem, is absolutely false. If you think that the entire discourse around reproductive rights in this country is not framed in Christian terms, then you are either deaf and blind or willfully ignorant.
No, obviously most socially conservative Christians in this country aren't out bombing abortion clinics, but it is the entire mentality of mainstream American Christianity that breeds this sort of environment and implicitly justifies this sort of action. There are more than a few Christian Republicans in the House of Representatives harping on about the Genocide of American babies at the hands of abortionists. It is not such a great leap from that kind of belief to this kind of behavior.
small attacks like this from the christian right happen from time to time i don't think this is anything to get worked up about.
i don't think it makes sense to lump all christians in the us with an extremely vocal and politically active minority from certain christian groups. 77% of the us identifies as christian, 22% want to outlaw abortion completely. obviously christianity as a whole isn't the problem here.Originally Posted by crawffers
is greenpeace responsible for the earth liberation front?
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
also the focus on 'omg christianity' neglects to draw a correlation between the decline in american manufacturing sector and economic destitution across many small towns and the rise of anti-abortion, anti-feminist etc groups in the 80s and 90s. materialism blah blah blah
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
groups like army of god and other christian terrorists, while being pretty fucking scary, are not the ones responsible for the pushing back of womens rights. they are a fringe element in society that is tiny compared to the mainstream right wing anti-abortion movement that is actually causing serious setbacks.
And what of the Christians who want much heavier restrictions on abortion without necessarily wanting it completely outlawed, or are only okay with abortion in the case of women who were raped or impregnated via incest? I think you would find that they account for a much greater percentage than the latter one you have given.
I hate when people substitute inane analogies for actual arguments. When environmentalism becomes a powerfully reactionary force in mainstream American politics, and has a huge influence in reinforcing the fucked up position of women in society, let me know.
And the idea, which is super popular on this website, that 'omg its all solely economics and there is nothing superstructural, guyz', equally neglects the reinforcing role that ideology, in this case Christianity, plays in society.
Religion is a reaction towards the material conditions, so, in effect, it is, to an extent, economics (though I would phrase it political economy).
This isn't negating what you are referring to but just phrasing it as it actually exists among the masses.
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