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    In this line of thought, I am been considering what an occupy movement in a rural setting would look like, Occupy the Hills, folks interested in homesteading, etc. can squat land and abandoned cabins in rural vermont. i am not thinking about complete off the grid living, but have rural/wooded squats that function collectively, much like any urban counterpart although obviously adapted to local conditions.
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    I guess it is a nice pipedream for some people, but the sort of communes you have in mind, i.e. people 'dropping out', have absolutely nothing to do with communism or working class self emancipation. There can be no islands of communism in a sea of capitalism.
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    The criticisms in the link really only apply if one's commune isn't a threat to the systems in power and is open about its operations, and they hint of the tired 'Socialism isn't possible in one country' thinking. Anyway if you want to set up a Communist commune and not contribute to the wellbeing of Capitalism, your options are:
    1. Be somewhere far enough away from anyone else that no one cares. Montana, Nunavut, maybe northern Maine, maybe parts of Africa, Siberia, or Antarctica would be the best locations. (/little bit of humor)
    2. Be invisible, especially literally and from the sky. Forests would do.
    3. Have lots o' guns.
    4. Declare independence.

    Option 3 would give you a commune like Anarchist Catalonia if you had enough people. The problem is it would be like Anarchist Catalonia, and most likely be invaded by surrounding Capitalist countries because they will have bigger militaries. The problem with 1 is that everyone will know you're there, and you'll be highly suspect and subject to WACO-like encounters. The problem with 2 is food. Properly-designed permaculture gardens may be indistinguishable from surrounding woodland. My own are designed for output, not camouflage, and stand out quite a bit on Google maps. On a large scale, I suspect it could be done, but it would require a lot more land and necessitate a much smaller population than the other options. Perhaps five acres per person as opposed to one, and that assumes everyone is vegan. There simply isn't the space anywhere to hide a tribe of hunter-gatherers. Traditional animal farms move the commune from option 2 to 1, and make it obvious that something is afoot. Option 4 is serious Micronationalism. This is the boldest of the four as you will literally face the world head on and receive the social acceptance it has for the DPRK, if you're lucky. Because most Micronationalists are RPers and political enthusiasts, you won't be taken very seriously without a 1000+ population, major infrastructure, and a sizable militia.

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