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It might not be such a terrible idea to take articles on the matter with a grain of salt when the source is BBC News.Yeah, the Syrian government is the victim here, being oppressed and slandered by the Western imperialists...
Well, now even Der Spiegel and mainstream media admit that hundreds of "Revolutionaries" from Jordan Saudi Arabia and the Arab World are invading Syria, to "Free Syria"... and i guess you heard about the French soldiers helping the "revolutionaries" on how to use the german and french made Rocket launcher MLRS? The reason i'm an anti-imperialist is because i hate bigger capitalist countries trying to flare up conflicts and turn the countries into even bigger shitholes than they already are. Look at Iran, can anyone here honestly tell me that they do not support the revolution against the US' Shah in 1979? Of course we would all want a communist workers revolution, but to the oppressed nations of the third world the fight against imperialism is more prudent.
"It is necessary for Communists to enter into contradiction with the consciousness of the masses. . . The problem with these Transitional programs and transitional demands, which don't enter into any contradiction with the consciousness of the masses, or try to trick the masses into entering into the class struggle, create soviets - [is that] it winds up as common-or-garden reformism or economism." - Mike Macnair, on the necessity of the Minimum and Maximum communist party Program.
"You're lucky. You have a faith. Even if it's only Karl Marx" - Richard Burton
And what would you consider non-biased sources? RT and Syrian state television?
No, of course not. I would not consider any state sources non-biased. Apparently unlike some people here, I am not so naive.
People "news" articles like these are meant to pave the way for "humanitarian" intervention first they will establish no fly zones then safe zones for their troops to operate from (and having a bunch of civilians there so any government response is automatically an attack on civilians) and before you know it its Libya all over.
Assad is scum and absolutely should be overthrown but not by having the Imperialists taking over and turn Syria into a sweatshop economy with zero rights for the workers all to benefit western capitalism.
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any of you fools choosing to stay silent AGAINST Bashar and his murderous army simply because you got a hard on for Russia, China and anything that says anti-NATO.. get over your self.. please. No one is saying back the rebels and back NATO intervention. At least acknowledge that the Bashar government is killing innocents. Not just in the last year but the entire tenure of Bashar and his father too. Fuck BBC as a "reliable" source there are many out there.
we need more revolutions and less "isms"
And yet that is precisely the climate that articles such as this seek to create, and are creating quite successfully. Assad and the rebels are as bad as each other.
So we can only use articles that convey our exact message? Okay, i'll pick you up on that standard in future threads, shall I?
Btw, the 'source' isn't BBC News, the source is Navi Pillay, whose word I would attribute much more credibility to than the BBCs, Syria State TVs or yours.
But yeah, you go on keep jacking off over strongman Assad, maybe you can photoshop a picture of him onto a collage of Stalin, the kims, Mao, Hoxha and Ahmedinajad and have that BDSM gangbang you've always dreamed of, comrade.
Belgian nuns raped: Latest Reports. Canadian soldier crucified. "TRUTH--1ST CASUALTY of WAR", True today, as true as the 1st time the sentiment was uttered.
Let's make sure none of our boys and girls don't get involved in that mayhem. That would be a concrete achievement. Leave the Syrian nation to sort out there own problems. Outside interference by others can only be for the ill.
Night has one thousand eyes
Its cute that you have to resort to this, but unfortunately for you, you have no clue at all what you are talking about, nor, clearly, even the vaguest sense of what my politics are.
The VAST MAJORITY of the rebels are Islamist radicals. How is it that the rather large Armenian population in Syria is not among their ranks? Probably because at least under Assad they have a right to their churches, schools, and community centers. Something that these fundamentalist savages wouldn't even consider giving them.
The rebels are reactionaries. End of story.
A perfect outcome of this would be that both Assad and his troops, as well as the rebels all come out into the street, and shoot themselves in the head.
you're right, it would be incredibly inappropriate. saying you want to make one but won't is inappropriate too.
I won't say this is or isn't happening but here's something for people that criticize others for being skeptical: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)
yes. this pales in comparison to what nato or other imperialist forces would perpetrate against the syrian people.Or am I just a liberal for not accepting that shooting children in the kneecaps and detaining them against any manner of human decency is just part of the good anti-US fight?
up until about the point they started jailing and executing communists... and, you know, the religious police...Originally Posted by workers control over prod
islamist radicals are the most powerful anti-imperialist force in the region at the moment.Originally Posted by cyrillic letters guy
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
Wasn't this the position of Mubarak and co. in Egypt, with respect to the MB 'control' of street protests, Was there not media parroting fears of a theocracy and possible backlash against the Copts? Are we still not seeing that with fears over Egypt's political future dominated by the MB on one hand and the Salafist party on the other?
My question is where was this kind of concern for Egypt that came around for Libya and Syria? What makes those states different? Where do we go along with the government's claims and where do we don't? This is not very consistent, squeezing out 'Islamists' and other reactionaries in one case, and ignoring them in the other.
I think the rebels' problem is more apparent, IMO, with the Kurdish minority who have been usually oppressed by the government through deprivation of citizenship, but have reacted lukewarm to the movement. This is mostly since they know the rebels might not really solve their marginalization.
Long story short, I don't see how any of this crackdown is justified because they need to fight 'reactionaries'. Any more than what the rebel groups have been doing in response to the government.
Not they're not. They aren't anti-imperialist at all in general. Look at the Islamist radicals that just took over Egypt, they, like the former regime, are also America's *****es. What about the Islamist radicals in Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia is one of the most vocal pro-Western Imperialism forces in the world. And these Islamist radicals in Syria, who take their orders from NATO, what qualifies them as anti-Imperialist? What about the Islamist radicals in Iran, who to annex all Shia territories into their little empire(and have been saying so since the 1979). These too are anti-Imperialists?
No. Islam is an expansionist and oppressive ideology, and has been since Mohammed invented it. There is nothing anti-Imperialist about it.
Probably because the Kurds(and all other minorities)know that these wonderful rebels will go all Saddam Hussein on their asses if they win.
Most of the rebels are actually not rebels. There numerous mercenaries, infiltrators from various factions (USA, Eu countries, Turkey etc.) who fight and provoke against the current regime.
I would revise this sentence as "islamic radicals are the most powerful anti-imperialist force in the region desired by imperialists and (even supported by imperialists time to time).
The information passed to the UN is most likely groomed to fit imperialist interests.
Similar to how all evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons is based on American and Israeli intelligence reports.
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no tears 4 assad
no cheers 4 imperialists
I'm on some sickle-hammer shit
Collective Bruce Banner shit
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