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Fascist militias being formed in Greece
The System does everything it can to guard itself in front of the uprising people's rage. Now they formed "people's" militias formed by neonazis and ex-marines of the greek army. KKE wrote an article on its newspaper about it in which they responded with a very insulting, anti-communist text in which they mention DSE(Democratic Army of Greece- KKE's army in the Civil War) and its "crush" by the National Army(the State's army) on the Civil War. Also, Periandros Androutsopoulos, a convicted for attempting murder of a leftist neo-nazi, ex- second leader of Golden Dawn is taking a special role in that organisation.
"Patriotic Militia"
A new civil war seems to be rising.
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By the way, these fuckers forget that they had just a LITLE help by the United States of America in Civil War, and that Greece was the first place to live the horror of a napalm bomb.
Scary stuff. What has been the lefts response to this? A civil war I feel is very likely, and I am willing to bet the CIA/NATO would gladly fund these guys.
Damn. Good luck, stay safe.
Put capitalism in a bag of rice.
"Patriotic Militia"
Vow I want to see Molotov cocktails are firing to left wingers, lets try I shall strike back.
Good luck from Macedonia. I hope the KKE wins this time if a civil war breaks out. According to my history lessons a lot of Macedonians from northern Greece fought alongside the Democratic Army of Greece.
This seems to be the website of this 'patriotic militia', no?
Yes, but that doesn't mean anything right now. Regardless of what you think of the KKE (and people here know my position on them), their supporters will have to admit as well they are nowhere near being prepared for paramilitary maneuvers.
Historically speaking, militias alone have never been enough to counter large-scale civil unrest or insurrection and they have always operated in tandem with official state forces or foreign intervention forces, as the practice of south-american death squads or the state-use of fascist groups in the Anni di Piombo shows. So, in addition to these fuckers, I'd worry more about these guys being deployed as well, eventually. Especially considering EUROGENDFOR has been set up to combat crisis situations as a militarized police intervention force.
"Of Man's first disobedience, and the fruit
Of that forbidden tree..."
- John Milton -
"The place of the worst barbarism is that modern forest that makes use of us, this forest of chimneys and bayonets, machines and weapons, of strange inanimate beasts that feed on human flesh"
- Amadeo Bordiga
Well, don't forget the role of the Freikorps in the German counter-revolutionary forces. When things get sticky, the state and bourgeoisie may well turn to them for aid, and give them arms and power. Not to mention the fact that they could serve to harass and attack leftists in the here and now, similar to the Russian nazis and such, and being organized will aid them in this.
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A revolution without dancing is not worth having.-Emma Goldman
The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to make it fall. -Che Guevara
The wise thing to do is simply to skip the bosh and twaddle and vulgarity and untruth, and get the benefit out of the rest. -Teddy Roosevelt
So what kind of prospects are we looking at here. Are things really that bad in Greece that civil war is on the horizon?
Wouldn't be much of a civil "war" if well-armed and well-funded fascists massacre barely-armed and hardly-funded leftists tbh.
Indeed, but if conditions for civil war are becoming more and more recognizable, then the communists should be arming the workers.
I talked to a guy from Athens extensively about this situation. From an economic standpoint, Greece is (continuously) fucked if it stays in the Euro, and if it were to get out of the Euro their new currency would drop like a rock because all the people would try to pay in the Euro. He told me that a lot of Greeks, or that most Greeks, see this as some kind of imperialist conspiracy against Greece, that there is quite a bit of racism as well. But the most interesting thing is, that when you look at the polls, the socialist parties, ultra-left parties, and communist party make nearly exactly one half of the electorate. So, it looks like there is a high chance for a civil war now since some time IMO. Since i heard some neo-nazis patrol with the police, it looks like it might come to some political violence from fascists and then at that point all bets are off.
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Viva la revolucion!
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What?
Can you elaborate on this, please?
This is Periandros Androutsopoulos. Ex second leader of Golden Dawn..
What?
Can you elaborate on this, please?
Αnd this is Jim Kousouris. A greek leftist, member of NAR, that stood up in some teachers syndicalist struggles in 1997.
This is Kousouris after the attack of Periandros and two other nazis.
Periandros was "missing" from police for 9 years. After all that he surrendered(!) and got triel and convicted for attempting murder. He was released 5 years after.
This is him today, at his mid-40s. Nowdays he has beef with Golden Dawn and he supports "Autonomous Nationalists". Still a hardcore neonazi thug though. And this person, the police gave OK to be in an anti-crime militia.
True, very true but the tandem-relation between parastate elements works only with state support. Even in it's 'rebellious' phase, Fascist movements all around the world still had to rely on the support of the bourgeoisie, from the Fasci di Combatimmento being paid by rich landowners to the NSDAP striking deals with the industrial establishment and the Argentine Patriotic League which was financed by the oligarchy and the chruch.
That being said, these kind of groups are important to the state because they can act with a kind of impunity the official state organs can never afford themselves in Western Europe (for now).
There leftist is who he murdered:.
What?
Can you elaborate on this, please?
"Of Man's first disobedience, and the fruit
Of that forbidden tree..."
- John Milton -
"The place of the worst barbarism is that modern forest that makes use of us, this forest of chimneys and bayonets, machines and weapons, of strange inanimate beasts that feed on human flesh"
- Amadeo Bordiga
We need to start building a union of unions across all professions and organizing the members of our union into self sufficient communes. Not only will these communes achieve true socialist democracy, they can also serve as platforms for activism (violent as well as nonviolent.)
The real danger is that while communists and other revlefts outnumber militant fascists, the fascists have breivik types among them who do more then throwing rocks at demonstrations.
Need to form a Workers' Brigade to oppose it. Though, finding willing leftists who are trained or ready to fight, may be tough.
just for a point of reference, there are well over 200 right-wing, nationalist, racist, and probably fascist militias in operation in the US today and civil war is highly unlikely.
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