What if the German Revolution of 1918-1919 had succeeded in creating a soviet government which came to the aide of the proletariat in Russia?
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What if the German Revolution of 1918-1919 had succeeded in creating a soviet government which came to the aide of the proletariat in Russia?
Perhaps we would be living in a very different world today, perhaps we wouldn't. Impossible to know.
tried it in a BoP game. turns out someone in the german goverment was a traitor, and we sent too many volunteers to assist the soviets in russia and we got overrun by tsarists because a revolution being uphelt by a few hundred thousand germans, in russia after the world war, wasnt too popular with russians
FKA Vacant
"snook up behind him and took his koran, he said sumthin about burnin the koran. i was like DUDE YOU HAVE NO KORAN and ran off." - Jacob Isom, Amarillo Resident.
It would have been invaded successfully for violating the Allied terms of surrender.
Born but to die, and reas'ning but to err.
I have read a book about the Bavarian Revolution 1918-1919 a marxist analysis by Hans Beyer, and i think if it had sustained/succeeded, communist revolution would have been unstoppable in Europe. Why? After the Spartakus left-wing communist revolutionary attempt in Berlin was destroyed by the counterrevolution, Hungary had a successful workers Revolution and decleration of a Soviet Republic on March 21, 1919; then the hope was the Bavarian Soviet Republic which was declared on April 13 1919.
Frustrated at the hoax or empty shell of the workers' council State under the reactionary Social-Democrat government, the workers of Munich joined the KPD en masse' after three proletarians were murdered by counterrevolutionary "putschisten"; forming a Red Army and declaring a genuine Soviet Republic. Workers disarmed the bourgeois forces, nationalised the banks, socialised the press and formed worker councils. On May 1 The Bavarian Soviet Republic was bloodily destroyed by 39,000 Whiteguardist mercenaries (hired by German Capital through 500 Million Mark in "Der Antibolschewistenfond"). But this short period of the end of April looked like a revival of european revolution, the NorthRhine-Westfalia area was getting excited by this Bavarian revolution of a genuine Workers State, and Berlin thought Munich could 'hold-the-bag' so to say for a liberation of the northern part of germany. Also in this short period, the country of Austria which is directly on the border to the south of Bavaria and on the border with Hungary, had increasing labor activity and loud calls for a Workers' Council Republic; this spurned hopes in Munich of a direct land connection to the USSR as Hungary was connected to the Soviet Union, only Austria lay between it. The northern industrial part of Italy had general strikes and workers mass demonstrations during this time as well and the time looked for a short glimpse of a week like european revolution after the hard blow of Spartakus being smashed down. I just thought i'd mention this because the Bavarian Soviet Republic is not talked about so much and is in my opinion at the center of the height of European communist, potential world revolution.
Lenin wrote a Letter by the way to the Bavarian government, i think for a short time a lot of people increasingly thought communism would win, at least for that short time. The Bavarian Red Army fought against the counter-revolutionary white guards. The final climax of Battle was, ironically, Dachau where the last Red Army soldiers were executed by the dozens by what i personally see as the begininnings of German Fascism, funded by Capital and held together by antisemitic conspiracy theories about the Global Jewish communist conspiracy.
Last edited by Workers-Control-Over-Prod; 20th March 2012 at 10:08.
"It is necessary for Communists to enter into contradiction with the consciousness of the masses. . . The problem with these Transitional programs and transitional demands, which don't enter into any contradiction with the consciousness of the masses, or try to trick the masses into entering into the class struggle, create soviets - [is that] it winds up as common-or-garden reformism or economism." - Mike Macnair, on the necessity of the Minimum and Maximum communist party Program.
"You're lucky. You have a faith. Even if it's only Karl Marx" - Richard Burton
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Speculative history and alternate history really do not have a place in the history forum.
It would be interesting to debate the reasons of the failuure and how and what could nhave been done to prevent a failure in the future and what would have been the next steps if the revolution had succeeded based on historical data....but speculation beyond that realm such as this thread goes into fictuous wishtful thinking.
If you have good counter arguments for allowing speculative history topics please PM me or start a thread for open discussion in this forum in which members can give their opinion on the subject. As it stands now the forum guidelines posted in the stickies do not really allow these threads. I am open for a debate on the matter by the participating members of the board to see if we could alter this guideline.
Thank you.
