To Clarify, to Expose, to set this straight.

[Rafiq]

Hello, members of Revleft. I've noticed Ismail has put something in his signature, claiming the source to be none other than myself. It was in regards to the holocaust. Here is the chain of private messages between me and him, once I figured this out.

If you're so convinced I'm a supporter and endorser of the holocaust, why don't you bring the Issue to the Board Administration, to let them judge the authenticity of such an accusation? No? Won't do it? Why?

Because you know it's a lie!

Take it back you racist son of a *****. I know you'd assume that since I'm an Arab, fucking scumbag. Because all Arabs are Nazi sympathizers and holocaust supporters? Fucking shit head.

I assumed you were a lame white guy in Detroit, actually. Well now I know you're a lame Arab guy in Detroit, but that don't make no difference.

Also I never said you supported the Holocaust. Your quote is in my signature because it's retarded. If, however, you are convinced it is just fine, then you have no cause for alarm.

cite me the quote fucker, cite me the post

Are you denying you made it?

I am asserting you tampered with the wording. Cite me the quote, the EXACT quote, and link me the thread, or confess you made up the wording and it's a slanderous lie.

Well I can't include the entire post (my sig won't allow it), but yes, I adjusted the wording so it's comprehensible.

Just search for the typo'd version of bourgeoisie you made. You'll find it.

Link it please. Or are you scared people will see you're full of shit?

Link it now, or it is a fake.

You're too lazy to search for a typo'd word? Not my problem.

Ismail could not provide me with the quote. Why? It re aranged my wording, and was a forgery. If he provided me with the exact quote, it would make himself look like the primitive head up ass idiot that he really is.


But none the less, I searched it up myself. The results were more than... Laughable?

[Much like the DPRK's necessary adoption of Juche] the holocaust was a response to material conditions on behalf of the German Bourgeousie.

Hmmmmm...... Seems legit?

[FONT="Arial Narrow"]... Because I know they were a response (on behalf of the DPRK regime, the class enemy) to material conditions, not "evil revionists de purifying my orgasmic ideas".

Just like the holocaust was a response to material conditions on behalf of the German Bourgeousie, and that it served their class interest? "No, Nazis had no imparity from start and just became bad guys because they revised ideas."[/FONT](Me mocking Ismail's stupidity)

No. I said that the holocaust was necessary for the German Bourgeoisie, and that, they were responding to material conditions, which for them as a class, necessiated the holocaust. But did I say that I supported the German Bourgoeisie? Of course not! On the contrary, I am considered to be the most "Violent" of members on this forum, even to the point where people got offended when I stated what the fate of the Bourgeoisie may have to be after the revolution.

But Ismail does not understand class (which is why to him, I support Juche too), which is why for him, "material conditions" favor a class, and that "Material conditions" are always good. The Bourgeoisie would respond to material conditions different from what a revolutionary proletarian state would. But no, to Ismail, "Material conditions" are just an excuse and not an actual existing condition.

Members of Revleft, I call upon you to think for a second. Does it not come across your mind, to the slightest, that Ismail would dismiss my post and automatically assume I'm a Holocaust supporter... Maybe because of my blantantly obvious Ethnic background?

Ismail has been insecure lately because I have been fucking his posts up. I've disturbed his Ideological hegemony. But to resort to a obvious, tastless, and insensitive tenet of desperation is appalling.


Ismail, if you have any sort of honesty at all in you, I demand you remove that false quote from your signuture. It's the defintion of Slander. For every post Ismail makes, another new user believes Rafiq to be an endorser of the Holocaust. This will not stand.

I discussed this with a very helpful member of the BA recently. In regards to a post he did here: http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.p...&postcount=102

Is just plain tasteless and unacceptable (Especially for an Moderator). But it is appalling and beyond insensistive to stick it in your signature, especially when it's a forgery of my real quote.

Thank you, and, if you don't give a shit, please acknowledge that, for the common people here, I do not support the holocaust or endorse it in any way shape or form. It even disgusts me that I have to clarify this position, as a Radical Socialist.

Perhaps this thread will change the false convictions users here friendly to Ismail have in regards to his honesty. Perhaps this tasteless act of desperation reflects and exposes to us common users his political views and understanding of revolutionary socialism. Perhaps...

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[Landsharks eat metal]

What the actual fuck is this thread?

[Bronco]

Pretty sure you two are the only ones who care about this little feud of yours

[Tim Cornelis]

Ismail's manipulation and Rafiq's clarifications are reflections of the material conditions of contemporary society. Just sayin'.

Besides this, I love e-drama.

[Rafiq]

Call me whatever you like. I'm not going to let it become a "common knowledge" that I'm some sort of Holocaust supporter.

[Deicide]

Did you say nasty things about Comrade Hoxha again?

[Rafiq]

Ismail's manipulation and Rafiq's clarifications are reflections of the material conditions of contemporary society. Just sayin'.

Besides this, I love e-drama.

You're right. We should have a bunch of 10 year old school kids come in here and democratically decide the validity of his quote.

[Rafiq]

Ismail's manipulation and Rafiq's clarifications are reflections of the material conditions of contemporary society. Just sayin'.

I agree. I think it has a lot to do with Hoxhaism being incompatible with modern day society (And material conditions), therefore tasteless acts of desperation such as this one are necessary, because, when you isolate your mind so much and constantly have to regulate the ways in which you think (reading books on Albania 24/7), and the thought of pulling your head out of your ass inconceivable, it really hurts to have someone like me try and distort this mentality. What better way to get back at this than to make up things about your opponent?

[Prometeo liberado]

Ahhh, this is so cute! When you're done playing make sure you pick up your toys. You want PB&J or Mac&Cheese for lunch boys?

[Rafiq]

Ahhh, this is so cute! When you're done playing make sure you pick up your toys. You want PB&J or Mac&Cheese for lunch boys?

Did you think people will look at this and start laughing? That's the most pathetic shot at humor I've seen in three days. And that's a generous estimate.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

LOL. This is a new low for both of you.

[Rafiq]

LOL. This a new low for both of you.

Does it not strike you as a bit odd that he has to resort to slander in order to have a civilized discussion with me ? And does it not strike you as a bit odd that this ass hole is a global moderator?

[Prometeo liberado]

Call me whatever you like. I'm not going to let it become a "common knowledge" that I'm some sort of Holocaust supporter.

Why are you a holocaust supporter again?

(psst! Pretty sure everyone here knows you aren't a Holocaust supporter. Pretty sure.)

[Rafiq]

Pretty sure you two are the only ones who care about this little feud of yours

I have a "feud" with many people, but the difference is, is that I don't know anyone else who makes things up about me. I want people to know Ismail's true character. That;s why I made a thread about it.

[Ostrinski]

Why is everyone dogging on Rafiq? Tbh his concerns are pretty legitimate.

[Comrade Samuel]

Place your bets people! Place your bets here!

Can I ask how the hell this stupid little feud started back in the olden days?

We get that you guys hate eachother ok? Problem is nobody cares because your both respected and reviled equally amongst the population of revleft.

[l'Enfermé]

I don't think Ismail would do such a thing on purpose, especially in such a public manner...this might be just a misunderstanding...

Anyways, Bordiga on the necessity of the Holocaust for German capitalism. I thought it would be appropriate since the thread touches upon the subject...

Edit: And yeah, the trolling in this thread is pretty inappropriate...though it's inappropriate in every other thread also.

[Bronco]

I have a "feud" with many people, but the difference is, is that I don't know anyone else who makes things up about me. I want people to know Ismail's true character. That;s why I made a thread about it.

Eh fair enough I guess, this all just seems like a pretty dramatic reaction to something quite trivial, doubt most even realised the quote in Ismail's sig

[Ismail]

On the contrary, I am considered to be the most "Violent" of members on this forum, even to the point where people got offended when I stated what the fate of the Bourgeoisie may have to be after the revolution.

No, you just have a fetish for violence.

Obviously the wording is a bit different, I had to do that for it to fit in my signature. I see no reason to change it though, because the meaning is the same. You compared Kim Il Sung adopting Juche to the Holocaust, in the sense that both were apparently inevitable and were based on understanding the material conditions. To anyone who opposes the adoption of Juche you've called enemies, opportunists, and so on. To you only Kim Il Sung correctly understood the objective material conditions at work, and apparently so did Hitler.