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egaletarian educational system works better than competative.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...uccess/250564/
Libertarian heads explode all over the place, turns out, when you let build people up let them explore and learn without pressure, and with out competitiveness, it turns out better.
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There's a story - I think from A people's History of the US - about priests testing native Americans for intelligence. When the native kids got their individual tests, they immediately began talking and sharing ideas and possible answers. The priests got pissed off and told them to stop cheating, but the kids replied, why, I thought you wanted to get the correct answer to the problem.
Libertarianism says almost nothing about how children should be taught. It does say that the money to pay for their teaching shouldn't be obtained at gunpoint from taxpayers. You really don't understand your opponents if you think that all libertarians raise their children to be Gordon Gekko from birth. There's a huge amount of diversity that your pithy one-liners simply can't address.
What it does tear down is libertarian assumptions on human nature.
(Btw, finland bans private schools).
Why go after education or welfare? Why not just get to the root of the matter, defund and disband the police and the military: stop that money from being taken from you by gunpoint and then no one will have to pay any taxes or anything because there won't be a governmental force with guns to point.
Fun article, if I hadn't unfriended my libertarian friends I would enjoy waving this in their noses. Nothing that hasn't been known by leftist for a while but it is still good to have reminders about the superiority of a more egalitarian system.
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Sounds like a plan to me. Replace them with voluntary militias and private security firms. Anyone that doesn't want to pay for protection, doesn't have to. This is kind of off-topic though, don't you think?
You still haven't actually explained two important things:
1) how is the criticism levelled against the idea of private, for-profit security agencies as organized racket actually false
2) how should the transition to stateless capitalist society be organized (apart from "well, it will be just like slavery and feudalism were abolished").
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Unfortunately, this story can be used as a premise to say: "Look, that's why the Europeans colonized America, and not vice versa!"
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hey just because someone is a taxpayer doesn't mean they're in the montana militia
Priests gave the tests? No wonder it didn't work out, the faithheads probably completely neglected to inform them that the test was intended to be for them individually. Puffed up old buffoons. Did they even make sure if the kids could read and write? Judging by their displayed incompetence it would not surprise me if they didn't.
Assuming the story is true, of course.
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Studies in so many fields similar to this one would indicate that competition doesn't create quality.
But we have to remember, libertarians are often seen as a joke even among the right...
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You say "the criticism" as if there's one version of one argument. Be more specific.
Reduce the powers of government on all levels. Get us back to what the basic constitution allows for and then go further. If you think "how do we get there" is the problem then you're very optimistic. Most of the people don't want to go there, so the "how" is kind of moot.
So what? Not every US tax payer is in the local police force or US military.
Night Ripper, as I remember this thread was about different educational systems, if you want to continue with your same bullshit derailings, start a new thread, so that we can ignore it.
So when for example the article says Finland lacks standardized testing apart from a national final test, wants to boost creativity &c., why would anyone describe the US educational model (pre-uni) as "competitive" and the Finnish one "egalitarian"?
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egalitarian in the sense that people are given equal footing, there is not ONE standard that everyone has to compete by, everyone is encouraged to foster their own education rather than it being imposed, its not graded in the sense that the students are ranked, and so on.
I'm not too familiar with the US systems, but you say students are ranked? According to what? Test results? Because that seems quite reasonable, I don't see where "competition" comes in there. In many socialist countries, your test results/interests determine where you go after basic education.
What we're talking about instead is indeed what you say: giving equal footing to everyone. In the US, this isn't the case? I thought the public education system was "well" developed?
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What socialist countries??? If we are talking about the soviet states or some other Leninist state, I don't consider those to be socialist (which I define as a democratic economic system).
Well, obviously it does'nt work as well as the other system.
Not at all, the educational system is paid for by property taxes .... think about that for asecond, also many rich people send their kids to private schools and thus pressure to defund public schools.
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Yes they do. Capitalist libertarians(they're not really libertarians though, like you, because you're a capitalist and that contradicts the "libertarian" part)go on and on about competition breeds excellence bla bla bla and all that shit, while all studies show that association(socialism) and not competition and intimidation(capitalism)produces better result when it comes to...basically everything.
And yeah, Finland's system is very good. I was watching a lecture about it by a Finnish government education something(adviser? minister? i don't remember) on TV a few weeks ago.
Edit: I googled a picture of the Pasi Sahlberg guy from the article and it's actually him who was giving a lecture on TV, hah.
