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I can't really read this on a computer screen but I'll post a link if anyone can stare at this without getting a headache. This thread can be moved to a more appropriate location.
http://www.economist.com/node/21543160
http://www.economist.com/node/21542931
The article goes on for about 14 pages in the paper (which I don't have) and on the site there are links to other topics. I'll try to read the part about history before my eye balls melt. Interesting that they don't equate soviet economy with state capitalism though.
State capitalism is the only capitalism that will be possible in the future. As neo-liberalism proves itself to be not only a failure for the workers but also for the bourgeoisie. Soon we will see a hybrid of neo-liberal austerity + strong state management.
“How in the hell could a man enjoy being awakened at 6:30 a.m. by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, shit, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?” Charles Bukowski, Factotum
"In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, as 'right-to-work.' It provides no 'rights' and no 'works.' Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom of collective bargaining... We demand this fraud be stopped." MLK
-fka Redbrother
Hey rooster -- if you`re going to start threads made up of links could you at least motivate them beyond I couldn`t read it & it might be of interest?
RedBrother we live under state capitalism now. It was the state that saved the financial sectors bacon for it. All the talk of the banks etc going beyond the national state evaporated faced with the crisis. On the capitalist state had the means to pour countless billions into the sector, to consciously lower interest rates and to being slaughter was little there is left of the social wage. This is all dressed up in fine democratic clothing but it is still the iron first of the dictatorship of capital in a velvet glove: as lenin said.
This was confirmed by the repression that the British state unleashed faced with the student demos in 2010 and its use of the riots to let lose the police onto working class housing estate in London etc.
Of course not, that was "Communism."
"It is not incumbent upon you to complete the work, but neither are you at liberty to desist from it" - Pirkei Avot
The longer a drought lasts the more likely it is to continue.
Russia was a degenerated workers state, or a bureaucratically deformed one, same thing really. It was nothing like communism, and it wasnt state capitalism, although Lenin sometimes used the phrase to describe various practices at the time, when they were in transition towards socialism, before the revolution was reversed starting around 1925.
No, Capitalism has always had a strong state, whether it was the neo-liberal, Keynesian or classical 'Ricardian/Smithian' type of economic management.
The idea of the strong nation-state goes back to before the beginnings of Economics as a discrete academic discipline. That Capitalism hasn't always had a strong, interventionist state is a myth propagated by...Capitalists. We would be stupid to swallow their bullshit.
What you and various left-coms are forgetting, however, is interventionism on behalf of whom. Inclusive of this is interventionism ("state aid") on behalf of labour.
"A new centrist project does not have to repeat these mistakes. Nobody in this topic is advocating a carbon copy of the Second International (which again was only partly centrist)." (Tjis, class-struggle anarchist)
"A centrist strategy is based on patience, and building a movement or party or party-movement through deploying various instruments, which I think should include: workplace organising, housing struggles [...] and social services [...] and a range of other activities such as sports and culture. These are recruitment and retention tools that allow for a platform for political education." (Tim Cornelis, left-communist)
When has there ever been unilateral interventionism on behalf of labour, under a Capitalist system?
Please don't insult my intelligence. I haven't forgotten something that plainly doesn't exist. Politics, whether you like it or not, is about the relationship between class and power. The ruling class will not forgo power - including state power - and, we shouldn't be content to let one class or intra-class group rule on behalf of the rest of the class, simply because their interventions could be seen as pro-worker. That, is called Social Democracy.![]()
Bolivarianism comes to mind. All those left-of-social-democratic positions from Minsky to Meidner come to mind as well.
My point is that interventionism on behalf of labour is something to advocate, because it brings basic politics into the fray. The more this interventionism is radical and excludes residual benefits for capital, the better.
"A new centrist project does not have to repeat these mistakes. Nobody in this topic is advocating a carbon copy of the Second International (which again was only partly centrist)." (Tjis, class-struggle anarchist)
"A centrist strategy is based on patience, and building a movement or party or party-movement through deploying various instruments, which I think should include: workplace organising, housing struggles [...] and social services [...] and a range of other activities such as sports and culture. These are recruitment and retention tools that allow for a platform for political education." (Tim Cornelis, left-communist)
Do not for one second call the post-2008 cash infusion from the various govts around the world to save failing corporations as state-capitalism. The greedy corporations cried for money and they got it but they're back to their old tricks of hiding profits, cheating the little taxes they pay, etc .... If you really want state-capitalism, force the closure of all private banks and force corporations to run all their accounting through a state bank. That you could call state-capitalist! At least the state will know how much money is made and would end corporate tax loopholes.
"If ever a pen was a weapon, it was the pen which wrote Lenin's 1917 texts."
State-Capitalism as we know it dates back to the ideas of Fredrich List that looked at the powerful British capitalist class and concluded the only path for German capitalists was to empower the German bourgeois state with the task of modernizing German means of production so German capitalists could compete with British capitalists in the world market.
Basically Fredrich List got to point, the sole reason that states exist is so their nation can accumulate more capital thus for the (bourgeois) state not to subsidize the industrialization of the national economy is nothing short of treason (from the point of view of the domestic capitalist class) in the idea that as a underdeveloped nation increases its industrial production everyone in the nation will benefit, capitalists get more profits and peasant/artists become industrial workers.
Of course Fredrich Lists writings came before the bourgeoisie learned of overproduction and saw a utopia at the end of global capitalist industrialization.
State capitalism would be any form of Capitalism which is centally planned either by the state, which acts as a corporation extracting surplus-value from the workers, or by banks and financial capital.
Globalization is just the extension of state capitalism on a global scale, creating institutions like the IMF and World Bank, and increasing collusion between the capitalist classes around the world. One could argue, China and the banks own wall street, and Lenin proved the stock market is simply manipulated by the banks to create profit for themselves. Globalization led to right wing nationalist movements as a result, as national state-capitalism and global state capitalism have come into conflict.
Raya Dunayevskaya proves using the published 5-year-plans and Marx's Capital, that Russia did indeed transform into a state-capitalist society. State-capitalism became the way for the day, as every major nation adopted some for of centralised state planning (the New Deal in the US).
Bravo!
Also, I have not known a single case of real state capitalism wherein the workers' real wages (i.e., after inflation) went down. Even Chinese workers, after considering all the post-Mao shit, haven't experienced this.
"A new centrist project does not have to repeat these mistakes. Nobody in this topic is advocating a carbon copy of the Second International (which again was only partly centrist)." (Tjis, class-struggle anarchist)
"A centrist strategy is based on patience, and building a movement or party or party-movement through deploying various instruments, which I think should include: workplace organising, housing struggles [...] and social services [...] and a range of other activities such as sports and culture. These are recruitment and retention tools that allow for a platform for political education." (Tim Cornelis, left-communist)
Yet this doesn't solve the crisis of capital, we saw this in 1980's Japan where the bourgeoisie state rushed to privatize its massive holding of means of productions as it was facing a falling rate of profit combined with rampant worker militancy as workers directed their frustration at the workplace towards the state. I.E JNR (Japanese National Railways) workers escalated their grievances with JNR towards the state of Japan that owned and operated JNR.
True, but I wanted to point out a key rebuttal against those defending small-l liberal economics against particular forms of "intervention." Also, I'm not sure Japan back then would qualify as "state-capitalist."
"A new centrist project does not have to repeat these mistakes. Nobody in this topic is advocating a carbon copy of the Second International (which again was only partly centrist)." (Tjis, class-struggle anarchist)
"A centrist strategy is based on patience, and building a movement or party or party-movement through deploying various instruments, which I think should include: workplace organising, housing struggles [...] and social services [...] and a range of other activities such as sports and culture. These are recruitment and retention tools that allow for a platform for political education." (Tim Cornelis, left-communist)