National Bolsheviks Invited to “21st Century Marxism” Confrence??

[NewSocialist]

These assholes must be pleased with the news.....

A FLAG TAINTED WITH BROWN
Chris Strafford condemns the Morning Star-sponsored meeting of nationalists, anti-Semites, and homophobes

Over the weekend of November 26-27 capitalist ministers, nationalists, anti-Semites and homophobes will be speaking under the banner of ‘21st century Marxism’, an event hosted by the ‘official communists’ of the Morning Star’s Communist Party of Britain.

Those going can look forward to such inspirational speakers as Yuri Emelianov, representing the red-brown Communist Party of the Russian Federation. The CPRF, known in Russia as Putin’s loyal opposition, came out of the ruins of the Soviet Union under the leadership of Gennady Zyuganov, who, along with ‘national Bolshevik’ Aleksandr Dugin, reoriented the party on ultra-nationalist, chauvinistic lines. Its cadres joined with other ‘patriots’ in violently attacking the “unhealthy” Moscow Gay Pride in 2006.

As comrade Boris Kagarlitsky explains, “For socialism, the party leaders have substituted the slogan of ‘great-power patriotism’, and the press organs they control are full of racist and anti-Semitic attacks … the Communist Party of the Russian Federation not only gives fervent support to the genocide in Chechnya, but regularly helps the government to implement its economic policies … In essence, the actions of the leaders of Russia’s ‘official communist’ movement would be better suited to members of a fascist party”

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my question is: *why* was this even allowed to happen? we do a good job fighting the fascists, but when they have the nerve to actually speak at *our* events we allow it to happen without a single protest? call me crazy, but a fascist is a fascist regardless of whether they're waving a hammer and sickle or a swastika. Is the left in such bad shape we need to invite reactionary speakers to *Marxist* events?

[tir1944]

I don't agree with this(i don't think they should have been invited to a Marxist conference),however i still think it'd be fair to point out that Nazbols were always "on the front lines" of fight against the fascists.Actually i'd say that they carried the main burden of that fight.
There have been dozens of street clashes where Nazbols always stood side by side with Communists against the neonazis and such.
Nat.Bolsh. is a peculiar nationalist perversion of Marxism and therefore wrong,however they simply can't be put in the same basket with boneheads.

[NewSocialist]

I don't agree with this(i don't think they should have been invited to a Marxist conference),however i still think it'd be fair to point out that Nazbols were always "on the front lines" of fight against the fascists.Actually i'd say that they carried the main burden of that fight.
There have been dozens of street clashes where Nazbols always stood side by side with Communists against the neonazis and such.
Nat.Bolsh. is a peculiar nationalist perversion of Marxism and therefore wrong,however they simply can't be put in the same basket with boneheads.

read the article. They are *racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, nationalists!* even if what you're saying is true (which I would like to see evidence of) there were some consevative religious groups who opposed the nazis too so what? they don't like Nazis because they are *competing* with them for hegemony over reactionary politics.

[tir1944]

Disregard what i wrote.This article doesn't even mention Nazbols but the CPRF.
Why did you write "national bolsheviks" in the title?
Nazbols are opposed to the CPRF (or at least they were last time i checked).

[NewSocialist]

Disregard what i wrote.This article doesn't even mention Nazbols but the CPRF.
Why did you write "national bolsheviks" in the title?
Nazbols are opposed to the CPRF (or at least they were last time i checked).

“The CPRF, known in Russia as Putin’s loyal opposition, came out of the ruins of the Soviet Union under the leadership of Gennady Zyuganov, who, along with ‘national Bolshevik’ Aleksandr Dugin, reoriented the party on ultra-nationalist, chauvinistic lines.”

Dugin is one of the main National Bolshevik theorists in Russia and he helped form the modern CPRF. the CPRF is actually even *more* reactionary than some of the nazbol and National “Communist“ groups out there which is saying *a lot*! They definitely don't deserve to be called communists.

[tir1944]

CPRF is scum.
But Dugin is no "leader" of the Nazbols,he's the main ideologist of a splinter-group that broke with the "official" Nazbols some time ago.
Anyone is welcome to correct me if i got this wrong.

[NewSocialist]

CPRF is scum.
But Dugin is no "leader" of the Nazbols,he's the main ideologist of a splinter-group that broke with the "official" Nazbols some time ago.
Anyone is welcome to correct me if i got this wrong.

his spliter group is called the “National Bolshevik Front“! They are still nazbols, they just think Limonov's group was too liberal for their likes. Dugin once called his NazBol ideology “red fascism“ and that the CPRF would ever associate with a piece of shit like Dugin speaks volumes about them. the CPRF and the Communist Party of Britian (for inviting them to their event) need to be forcefully opposed by us.

[tir1944]

OK then.You're definitely right about opposing the so called "CPRF",they are a bunch of some of the most vile class traitors and general scumbags (although they do have many decent and honest communists in their ranks,however these are silenced by the party bigwigs) the world has ever seen.

[NewSocialist]

OK then.You're definitely right about opposing the so called "CPRF",they are a bunch of some of the most vile class traitors and general scumbags (although they do have many decent and honest communists in their ranks,however these are silenced by the party bigwigs) the world has ever seen.

Exactly. I feel for whatever honest communists that get bomboozeled into joining that party. Hopefully they will come to see the CPRF for the reactionary cesspool it is and join a real (meaning *internationalist*) communist party. In the mean time its up to us to make sure no European or America communist groups allow these clowns to participate in Marxist events.

NO PLATFORM FOR FASCISTS!

[NewSocialist]

More on the CPRF's history of racism & nationalism....

[Communist Party General Albert Makashov] angrily shouted "I will round up all the Yids and send them to the next world!"

On the national level, the case of Communist Party General Albert Makashov is particularly striking. As a member of the Duma, the lower house of Parliament, General Makashov has become infamous worldwide for his anti-Semitic outbursts blaming Jews for the country's economic problems, and advocating the establishment of a quota on the on the number of Jews allowed in Russia. He has also publicly supported the reinstatement of the Pale of Settlement, territory in which Jews were restricted to live during the 19th century.

Other outrageous pronouncements by General Makashov include an editorial by him in the Russian newspaper Zavtra, printed in October 1998, which stated that a "Yid," a derogatory term used in Russia to mean Jew, is "a bloodsucker feeding on the misfortunes of other people. They drink the blood of the indigenous peoples of the state; they are destroying industry and agriculture." He caused the greatest splash later in October when he led two fiery rallies, in Moscow and Samara, commemorating the 81st anniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution, which were repeatedly shown on Russian television. At these rallies Makashov angrily shouted "I will round up all the Yids and send them to the next world!"

The Duma has failed to explicitly censure General Makashov for his anti-Semitic remarks, and in particular for his comments calling for death to Jews. In November 1998, the Communist members blocked two different motions to censure the retired General, which had been put forward by the opposition Yabloko party. Rather, the Parliament adopted a vaguely worded resolution, condemning ethnic hatred, with no reference to Jews, anti-Semitism or General Makashov. The Communist party has also failed to condemn General Makashov or to discipline him. Instead, the General has found a number of vocal supporters within his party and among Russia's many nationalists.

In reaction to General Makashov's October comments and the Duma's failure to censure him, President Yeltsin requested a statement from Communist Party leader Gennady Zyuganov regarding his party's position on anti-Semitism. Mr. Zyuganov's response reiterated the accusations made by the most anti-Semitic members of his party. In the form of a letter to the Ministry of Justice and the National Security Chief, Zyuganov's response contained harsh anti-Semitic references reminiscent of the old Soviet era and served only to heighten concerns about anti-Semitism in Russia.

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are there any Russian comrades who can shed more light on the depravity of this party? did anyone go to the ’21st century Marxism’ event or have any connection to the “communist“ party in Britain who invited these scumbags to speak?

[NewSocialist]

I just found out this Albert Makashov asshole has links with the white supremacist David Duke. So not only does the CPRF have associations with nazbol fascists, but straight up *klansmen* too. Amazing.

[Commissar Rykov]

That is an interesting if not extremely disturbing move. I wonder what the reasoning is behind it other than some kind of "Marxist-Leninist" solidarity or something of the like.

[Ocean Seal]

That is an interesting if not extremely disturbing move. I wonder what the reasoning is behind it other than some kind of "Marxist-Leninist" solidarity or something of the like.

I think that this is the peak of leftist desperation in Russia. Pretty much its
-CPRF==>homophobic nationalists
-Nazbols==>Nazi fetishists, anti-semites
Some people think that we need to pick a side between these assholes.

In any case at least AKM 1917 sounds cool. And of course organizations like CWI do a good job of organizing the LGBT community. So I'd rather be with a little group, than an established party with a fucked up leadership. Fuck Putin, fuck the CPRF, fuck the Nazbols, go proletariat.

[thälmann]

akm 1917 sounds cool, but they are also working with the nazbols and link them on their side...sadly

the russian communist movement has some serious issues do deal with...

[Ravachol]

I don't agree with this(i don't think they should have been invited to a Marxist conference),however i still think it'd be fair to point out that Nazbols were always "on the front lines" of fight against the fascists.Actually i'd say that they carried the main burden of that fight.
There have been dozens of street clashes where Nazbols always stood side by side with Communists against the neonazis and such.
Nat.Bolsh. is a peculiar nationalist perversion of Marxism and therefore wrong,however they simply can't be put in the same basket with boneheads.

I don't know what it is like in Eastern-Europe and the Balkan but over here all NazBols emerged straight from the fascist milieu, ex-members of Blood & Honour, the Autonomous Nationalists and the Freie Kameratschaften who read a little too much by Strasser and now run around calling themselves 'national proletarians' while waving some bullshit by Ernst Niekisch around or whatever. The ties, both personally, ideologically and organisationally, to the fascist milieu are still strong and they seem to just take the whole 'querfront' approach a little further than usual.

The core question in these matters is the stance on immigrants and 'the national question', that is the question which reveals the true proletarian, anti-/inter-national position!

[Commissar Rykov]

I don't know what it is like in Eastern-Europe and the Balkan but over here all NazBols emerged straight from the fascist milieu, ex-members of Blood & Honour, the Autonomous Nationalists and the Freie Kameratschaften who read a little too much by Strasser and now run around calling themselves 'national proletarians' while waving some bullshit by Ernst Niekisch around or whatever. The ties, both personally, ideologically and organisationally, to the fascist milieu are still strong and they seem to just take the whole 'querfront' approach a little further than usual.

The core question in these matters is the stance on immigrants and 'the national question', that is the question which reveals the true proletarian, anti-/inter-national position!

Actually the term was first coined by the German Nationalist Ernst Jünger along with several Left Nationalists who came up with the idea of a National Socialism which inspired people like Goebbels and Roehm who joined the NSDAP.

The basic idea as laid out by Jünger was that you take the bureaucratic control of the economy like the USSR had under the leadership of Stalin and apply it under a highly nationalist framework thus supposedly improving living conditions and creating a Volkish kind of bond between the people as they now work as a collective whole. This was further cemented by the writings of Oswald Spengler who is pretty much the brainchild alongside Julius Evola of Modern Neo-Fascism. The Strassers still have their part but they didn't develop a real ideology until Ernst Jünger came back with several other Nationalists from the USSR and began the development of National Bolshevism.

[ComradeOm]

Actually the term was first coined by the German Nationalist Ernst Jünger along with several Left Nationalists who came up with the idea of a National Socialism which inspired people like Goebbels and Roehm who joined the NSDAP

It's older than that. 'National Bolshevism' was originally used when referring to those elements of the Tsarist regime who collaborated with the Soviets after 1917 in order to further their own Great Russian ambitions

[Tim Cornelis]

The Communist Party of the Russian federation derive the Marxism-Leninism not from a conviction to Marxist doctrine but from what is called palingenetic nationalism.

This type of ultra-nationalism looks back at the national history of a country for a golden age when the nation was strong, powerful, and seemingly propsperous, and base their nationalism on the "revival" of this Empire. This type of nationalism is the "fascist minimum" according to Roger Griffin, and I agree.

Thus, German ultra-nationalists/fascists look at the Prussia and the German Reich when Germany was bigger, stronger, etc. for inspiration and therefore advocate the return to former borders, for example. Turkish fascists would look at the Ottoman empire. Arabs would look at a unified Arabic world. Dutch fascists look at the Dutch empire, and want to unite Flemish Belgium, and the Netherlands and have ties with far-right movements in South Africa. They all want to revive a former national Empire in a new form. Palingenetic nationalism strives to re-create this national myth, and therefore fascism will always fail, because they it is a myth.

Incidentally, this also explains the appeal of fascism in times of crises: it implicitly promises to re-create a national Empire as it once was, an Empire that was perceived as prosperous, and such.

Russian fascists look at the Soviet Union under Stalin because the Russian empire was a superpower feared all over the world, it was mighty, glorious, and perceived as prosperous. It makes perfect sense for palingenetic nationalists in Russia to look at the Soviet Union under Stalin and desire a new USSR-empire. The seemingly paradox admiration by the Russian far-right of both Stalin and Hitler is explained in this way. The Communist Party in Russia is a typical palingenetic ultranationalist organisation, and hence can be considered fascist. Its support for the war against Chechenya is thus the consequence of aspiring to re-create the national myth of a unified and strong Russia/USSR.

All this explanation just so I can say; the Communist Party of the Russian Federation are fasicsts, without sounding like I use "fascism" without meaning.

This is, for the record, not a way of discrediting Marxist-Leninists by saying "see, fascists are inspired by your ideology". It is unfair, simplistic, and ultimately false to draw that conclusion.

[Commissar Rykov]

It's older than that. 'National Bolshevism' was originally used when referring to those elements of the Tsarist regime who collaborated with the Soviets after 1917 in order to further their own Great Russian ambitions

Hmm interesting I have never heard it used in that context though it would explain some things as there were National Bolsheviks who were exiled by the Bolsheviks only to be allowed to return by Stalin. I wonder why I never made the connection before. Thanks for the info ComradeOm.

As to what Goti brought up about Palingenetic Nationalism it has become quite popular amongst the more intellectual crowd of fascists who now feel they change the outside face of fascism while maintaining its inner core. It is an interesting development and I do not know whether it will be as useful as many fashs think or not in regards to recruitment. I do find it interesting that there was at least when I was involved a rather concerted effort to move away from the old giants in fascism like Hitler and Mussolini and begin putting a friendly or more intellectual face on it by using people like the Strassers, Spengler and Evola. The Ezra Pound Society is an experiment in this direction though it still has a lot of outter baggage that shows its inherent racism. Really I think the whole idea is to sucker in disaffected Working Class youths such as myself with promises of jobs and renewed vigor in society. What it really boils down to though is Petit-Bourgeois Class interests once again hoping to get the Bourgeoisie in their debt and become National Heroes. It still has its racism, nationalism and thuggery they just hide behind a more intellectual framework as the uniform wearing Stormtroopers it not going to be appealing to much of anyone. I am curious to see as the Capitalist Crisis grows whether the Bourgeoisie will once again sire the Petit-Bourgeois to their rescue or try to do it themselves. Though if we are to look at Russia as an example of Bourgeois Defensive Mechanisms we can see the Bourgeoisie have merely used overt thuggery and coopted Petit-Bourgeois fascist movements to align with the Kremlin and be the shocktroops to enact certain domestic policies through fear and violence.

[Renno]

Palengenetic nationalism, wow, now i know what our little leftwing party in my little part of the netherlands was meaning

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisian_Kingdom