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    [FONT=Verdana][FONT=Verdana]The answer to Tory Chancellor Osborne’s ‘austerity for workers’ class war cry yesterday, is the biggest one day strike in Britain for decades. [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Verdana]

    [FONT=Verdana]Important sections of both the middle and working classes are on the march, stirred into action like European and Arab workers by the unending economic meltdown and vicious attacks on wages and conditions, proving once again that the best recruiting sergeant for revolutionary consciousness is the chaotic capitalist system itself. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana]The great debate about how best to organise the planet has taken a qualitatively giant leap forward, drawing millions of previously passive layers into the argument. This is already a massive victory for the revolutionary working class internationally.[/FONT]
    [FONT=Calibri]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15961863[/FONT]
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    [FONT=Verdana]Meanwhile hostilities against Iran are stepped up as imperialism’s only “answer”[/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana]to its rotten global extortion racket. Following provocative economic sanctions [/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana]the Brit government is now expelling Iranian diplomats. Defeat for ‘our own’ [/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana]ruling class at home and abroad is the only real “answer”. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15966628[/FONT]
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    The strike is the biggest since 1926, but nothing of the same level. It is an important first step in rebuilding our class, even though it probably won't win anything in itself as some super-optimist left groups are hoping.
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    The strike is the biggest since 1926, but nothing of the same level. It is an important first step in rebuilding our class, even though it probably won't win anything in itself as some super-optimist left groups are hoping.
    This is definitely true.
    Class confidence is starting to return but the purely quantitative view of various Trot groups that getting more and more people out is the only way to do it (ignoring what those 'more' are actually going to do) is a bit of a dead end. This is nothing like the militancy of the 60s-80s.
    That being said I'm definitely inspired by sectors that haven't been on strike for years coming back out, by cross-sector solidarity taking place and by the general increase in the willingness to fight back and the belief that things can be won (man this sounds really cliched). Anyway everything starts from somewhere.
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    What a brilliant class movement in Scotland today thousands on the March in Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee, Inverness and hundreds of other towns.

    Arrived in Edinburgh at 7:30am and from then until 10:15 went round 5 picket lines, PCS, Unite and Unison, discussing, leafleting and selling a socialist newspaper. Went to the assembly area of the March and gave out hundreds of leaflets for the Socialist Party and for Standing Anti-Cuts candidates in the Local Elections in Scotland in 2012. Marched to the Scottish Parliament continually giving out leaflets, having discussions and selling the Socialist newspaper, (15 in total). It is estimated that the march in Edinburgh was over 20,000, that is absolutely brilliant. A big congratulations to all the Socialist Party members who helped out today. I am a happy knackered person who will go for a long soak and then make something to eat.
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    The strike is the biggest since 1926, but nothing of the same level. It is an important first step in rebuilding our class, even though it probably won't win anything in itself as some super-optimist left groups are hoping.
    [FONT=Verdana]While predictably playing down the size and effectiveness of today’s great strike, the government are already signalling or feigning some willingness to restart negotiations. While they just might have been nudged into appearing to giving a very little bit more, it will only be so, in order to get the innately traitorous union leaders (who always sell out one way or another anyway) off the revolutionary collision course. [/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana]This utterly bankrupt capitalist democratic parliamentary racket is once again in dire need of help from the champions of reformism in the ‘British Labour Movement’ and the union leaders will be congratulating themselves tonight hoping that they have done enough to ‘let off the head of steam’ that was building-up among the members who pay their fat salaries and other sweet perks. [/FONT]


    [FONT=Verdana]You are right; the ‘left’ agitation about [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]escalate the action to win[/FONT][FONT=Verdana]” (Socialist Workers Party) [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/and[/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana]“We can win”[/FONT][FONT=Verdana] (Socialist Party)[/FONT][FONT=Verdana] http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/issue/696/13260/30-11-2011/30-november-shows-we-can-win sends the wrong message entirely about the nature of this crisis attack on jobs and conditions. Have the ‘lefts’ still not grasped the depth and magnitude of this economic crisis. Do we have to keep having the same arguments like this http://www.revleft.com/vb/tweet.php?do=post&id=2279717&c=2279717[/FONT]
    [FONT=Verdana]to demonstrate their lack of preparedness or willingness to begin overt open revolutionary agitation within workers economist and protest struggles.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana]Workers in struggle aren’t stupid sheep to be herded into this or that activist (SWP) or electoral (SP) corral. The tactics of these strikes, occupy movements, mass demonstrations and pickets etc can be endlessly variable and will need to be, but giving the impression that lasting reforms can be secured under capitalism (We can win!) in this period of all-out attack by the ruling class is a sick joke.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana]What is the point in making lots of generally good ‘socialist’ propaganda (which some do) without opening up the debate about the working class taking power? Like a clock hand ticking off the minutes but refusing to chime the hour? [/FONT]
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    Many thanks britan...next comes America.
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    Slowly but surely we're seeing the first stirrings of renewed life in the working-class. While it will take some time for our message to gain traction amongst the rank-and-file, I'm sure we'll see a rise in the willingness of others to hear what the revolutionary left has to offer - and that's progress. It's not much, but it's sure as hell a start.
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    I was at the demonstration in Southampton today. It was brilliant and a great atmosphere. Great speeches against Tory Cuts and against capitalism. We need rolling strikes though!
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    [FONT=Verdana]We need lots of things. Yes more “rolling strikes” and static strikes and rent strikes and occupations and anything else that might be necessary. The working classes of Europe and North America have a long and brilliant history of organising astonishing challenging protest and resistance to capitalism and the current ruling class managers are very alert and nervous about that because, out of necessity, the ‘protest and resistance’ will change into ‘demand and attack’ by workers. Be ready. [/FONT]

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    [FONT=Calibri]Lenin did not spend his entire life in party faction fighting, and not much else, for the benefit of liberal/left academics and ratty opportunists to make personal careers out of revolution. Keep your eyes open and your guard up. ‘Left’ opportunism and fake 'left' ‘revolutionary’ careerism is a real offspring of middle class frustration.[/FONT]
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    One Day Strikes are garbage (In Japan they'll even help with one-day strikes because they know everyone gets back to work the next morning on time). they do nothing but make good photo-ops and headline grabbers for the newspapers, but they're extremely ineffective in accomplishing anything.

    This striking doesn't work. They've attempted this in Spain, Greece, Italy, and now the UK--all have and will face austerity cuts. as if nothing happened the day before. and just like all the others, UK is going to face austerity cuts as well. the only way they'll ever fight this is if they not just strike, but boycott ALL work indefinetly.
    People can tolerate having to forgo the mail for a day; but when Christmas comes and presents don't come, society will have the backlash on the causation.

    The cogs of the machine have to break before they will ever give up the keys
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    One Day Strikes are garbage (In Japan they'll even help with one-day strikes because they know everyone gets back to work the next morning on time). they do nothing but make good photo-ops and headline grabbers for the newspapers, but they're extremely ineffective in accomplishing anything.

    This striking doesn't work. They've attempted this in Spain, Greece, Italy, and now the UK--all have and will face austerity cuts. as if nothing happened the day before. and just like all the others, UK is going to face austerity cuts as well. the only way they'll ever fight this is if they not just strike, but boycott ALL work indefinetly.
    People can tolerate having to forgo the mail for a day; but when Christmas comes and presents don't come, society will have the backlash on the causation.

    The cogs of the machine have to break before they will ever give up the keys
    While I agree that striking in itself is no solution or strategy towards anything, I disagree that we therefore need to go even further and adopt a slogan like "all out, stay out" (like the SWP in the UK does for example). This amounts to nothing more than revolutionary phrase-mongering.

    The underlying point here is that the strength of the working class lies in its position of running society and that therefore withholding our work strengthens our position. On the contrary, the strength of the working class lies in its alienation from the means of production and the necessary collective action that flows from this position in relation to our society. Said differently, we have to form ourselves as a class before we can pose positive alternatives on society and a strike can help in this process.

    Secondly, an actual indefinite general strike is wholly unacceptable as society would cease to function meaning no emergency services, no food in the supermarkets, no water from the tap. So what will actually happen is that a general strike committee must be formed which takes over the tasks of coordinating basic social functions. Of course this point is well understood by the "general strikist" left and it is in fact their intention to reach such strike committees. So, say after three months of a general strike, with social power firmly under control of the general strike committee, the left can go around to the working class and say: "oh by the way, we took over power from the capitalists, long live the revolution!". Or that is the plan in a nutshell.

    This however has a major problem: It doesn't work this way. In any historical situation of a prolonged general strike situation or a situation of political melt down of the old order, the working class movement won't just spontaniously conclude to seize power for themselves, but instead will look to alternative but already established authorities. The social-democrats in Portugal in 1974 come to mind as a clear example of this. At another level the Iranian revolution of 1979 is another example. We cannot trick the working class into power.

    The strategy then is to build our own alternative authority: that of a self-conscious working class wanting to take power as a class. This is why I think a partyist strategy is needed: A mass politicised working class movement that patiently works to educate, agitate and organise the working class independently and in its own interests on a radical democratic and global level. The left can be a positive triggering point for such a party-movement by uniting on this basis and for a Marxist programme.

    Within this framework then a general strike is one available tactic in building our class.
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    One Day Strikes are garbage (In Japan they'll even help with one-day strikes because they know everyone gets back to work the next morning on time). they do nothing but make good photo-ops and headline grabbers for the newspapers, but they're extremely ineffective in accomplishing anything.

    This striking doesn't work. They've attempted this in Spain, Greece, Italy, and now the UK--all have and will face austerity cuts. as if nothing happened the day before. and just like all the others, UK is going to face austerity cuts as well. the only way they'll ever fight this is if they not just strike, but boycott ALL work indefinetly.
    People can tolerate having to forgo the mail for a day; but when Christmas comes and presents don't come, society will have the backlash on the causation.

    The cogs of the machine have to break before they will ever give up the keys
    Get a grip. Nothing works, until it does. Get it? Nobody thinks a one-day strike of millions will topple capitalism, but without the working class organizing, class wide, as a class, and demonstrating that organization, nothing topples capitalism.

    This strike is part of that process of class wide organization.
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    This striking doesn't work. They've attempted this in Spain, Greece, Italy, and now the UK--all have and will face austerity cuts. as if nothing happened the day before. and just like all the others, UK is going to face austerity cuts as well. the only way they'll ever fight this is if they not just strike, but boycott ALL work indefinetly.
    Which would probably backfire significantly in multiple ways. The working class do generally have an inferior position in economic struggles, owing to their position on the economic field in general, of course. In any case, what's important is not primarily the wage level, but the struggle.

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    But with the development of industry, the proletariat not only increases in number; it becomes concentrated in greater masses, its strength grows, and it feels that strength more. The various interests and conditions of life within the ranks of the proletariat are more and more equalised, in proportion as machinery obliterates all distinctions of labour, and nearly everywhere reduces wages to the same low level. The growing competition among the bourgeois, and the resulting commercial crises, make the wages of the workers ever more fluctuating. The increasing improvement of machinery, ever more rapidly developing, makes their livelihood more and more precarious; the collisions between individual workmen and individual bourgeois take more and more the character of collisions between two classes. Thereupon, the workers begin to form combinations (Trades’ Unions) against the bourgeois; they club together in order to keep up the rate of wages; they found permanent associations in order to make provision beforehand for these occasional revolts. Here and there, the contest breaks out into riots.

    Now and then the workers are victorious, but only for a time. The real fruit of their battles lies, not in the immediate result, but in the ever expanding union of the workers. This union is helped on by the improved means of communication that are created by modern industry, and that place the workers of different localities in contact with one another. It was just this contact that was needed to centralise the numerous local struggles, all of the same character, into one national struggle between classes. But every class struggle is a political struggle. And that union, to attain which the burghers of the Middle Ages, with their miserable highways, required centuries, the modern proletarian, thanks to railways, achieve in a few years.

    This organisation of the proletarians into a class, and, consequently into a political party, is continually being upset again by the competition between the workers themselves. But it ever rises up again, stronger, firmer, mightier. It compels legislative recognition of particular interests of the workers, by taking advantage of the divisions among the bourgeoisie itself. Thus, the ten-hours’ bill in England was carried.
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    An article from the Socialist Party Scotland on the public sector general strike in Scotland. If Cameron and the ConDem’s do not back down immediately the TUC must set another date in January for a 24 hour Strike that unites both the public sector and the private sector against the the Government’s Cuts proposals. Remember for every job cut in the public sector means two lost in the private sector. Yesterday the Trade Union movement just raised its little finger and we saw what happened, just think what would happen if it raised the whole hand.

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