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Differences between trotskyism and other marxists
I'm interested to know the main differences. It seems a lot of far-left parties in the U.K are trotskyist
Last edited by graffic; 26th November 2011 at 23:59.
Mainly the difference is between those who support Permanent Revolution and those who support Socialism in One Country.This is the divide between Trotskyists and Marxist-Leninists but there are many other differences within the other tendencies.
You may have more luck if you ask for the difference between Trotskyists and a specific group.
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Trotskyism vs Stalinism
- Permanent Revolution vs Socialism in One Country
- What the USSR was under Stalin (degenerated workers' state vs socialism)
- Historical accuracy vs Historical revisionism
- United Fronts (proletariat parties/orgs uniting) vs Popular Fronts (proles uniting with liberals and petit-bourgeois, etc)
Some minor corrections
Trotskyism vs Marxist-Leninism
- Permanent Revolution vs Socialism in One Country
- What the USSR was under Stalin (degenerated workers' state vs building socialism)
- Bourgeoisie historical revisionism vs Historical accuracy
- In the struggle against fascism: United Fronts (proletarian parties/orgs uniting) vs Popular Fronts (proles uniting with liberals and petit-bourgeois, etc)
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Marx mentioned that socialism in one country would not work. You don't have to be a Trot to see that socialism in one country is a flawed idea to an extent. If the communist manifesto and Kapital are the basis of Marxist thought, Marx would be a Marxist-leninst if he were around today.
I was talking to a trotskist the other day who was whining about the "authoritarianism" of the unions and other socialist parties. Its a fair point however unions actually engage with workers rather than standing at stalls giving leaflets to middle class students
Last edited by graffic; 26th November 2011 at 23:57.
If you're claiming that Stalinist accounts are not revisionist, you are insane.
Why?
This is quite accurate in regards to Trotskyism to MLism
On Trotskyism to Other Socialists stands the fact we are leninists...which many other may not be(just disagree or are fiercely against) or only in part(like it but do not consider themselves leninists, or agree to parts but not the whole).
Nice explanation DRF
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Anywho, the reasoning is due to the obvious issues with the accuracy of Stalinist accounts on show trials, Trotsky, the purges, Lenin, etc.
Stalin was a very deceptive person, who did everything he could to discredit Trotsky. From giving Trotsky the wrong date for Lenin's funeral to doctoring photos of Stalin with people he purged to ordering the director of the film "October" to portray Trotsky as a dithering and weak man, and to portray Stalin as the one closest to Lenin (we know that Stalin dithered and was a no namer before the revolution and Trotsky and Lenin were the close ones).
So, to not take the Stalinist accounts of what happened with a grain of salt, is like reading a neo-nazis account off he third reich and crediting it as accurate.
Stalin was a megalomaniac, who surrounded himself with sycophants in the party and media.
ex: “O great Stalin, O leader of the peoples,
Thou who broughtest man to birth.
Thou who fructifiest the earth.
Thou who restorest the centuries,
Thou who makest bloom the spring,
Thou who makest vibrate the musical cords.
Thou, splendour of my spring,
O Thou, Sun reflected by millions of hearts ...”
(Pravda, August 28, 1936.)
I'll pm you some articles to read on the subject when I get home.
I for one, have my disagreements with Leninism, but I am not fiercely against it.
I'm unsure if this is sarcasm or a kudos :/Nice explanation DRF
