Results 21 to 40 of 41
We need to be more militant in our anti-fascist action and, the more militant they are, the more militant we need to be. There's no use saying 'I don't think that's a good idea because of X reason...', the fight has to be relative to the breadth of the problem.
The harder the come, the harder they have to fall.
I'm the Laird of the land, I'm hot like Pol Pot.'A true white liberal.' - Sword and Shield (on me)
'i am a communism fer a long years.' - twenty percent tip
FKA Mahmoud Ahmerdinnerjacket
SWAG1
there is this initiative:
http://antifascistnetwork.wordpress.com/
forget uaf, altho they turn up and swel antifascist numbers they allow thmselves to be kettled by plod. there are people in there worth getting involved in non-partisan militant antifascism.
Everyone, this is going on in multiple threads now: TONE THE FUCKING VIOLENCE TALK DOWN. I'm certainly no pacifist, but we don't need to be explicitly encouraging people to stab people and commit arson on a PUBLIC FORUM. Next person I see being this blatant is getting an infraction. Warning to aty.
Remember, this isn't a condemnation of any particular point of view, but you have to realize that this is the largest predominantly english-speaking radical left forum on the internet, we do not need you shemps calling unwanted attention to us like this.
Last edited by Blackscare; 21st November 2011 at 12:13.
... To live – does it not mean to have indomitable faith in victory?
well, like I said, I don't think stabbings and arson and whatever is the answer, cos that just makes us arseholes, I'm just saying, non-violence is not the answer. We need to do what has to be done, and that means going toe to toe with these twats and havin a decent scrap, that's all, we need to show them that they aren't welcome in this country, and they aren't the only ones who can fight.
call it 'self defense' if you like, if the old bill come knocking
I stand with what I said about fascists attacking strikes and the peaceful workers movement. They should be shown no remorse and the left should directly up the ante of violence to make them understand the consequences of this kind of action.
It is a totally different thing when they fight with militant antifascists, that is just to be expected. But when they turn to violent scabs we should declare war.
Hypothetically of course if they would attack, and that is not the case yet. And no I am not from the UK so I cant decide what you should do, just describe my point of view.
Yes but the other guy said stabbing not taking to the streets.
Socialist. Bassist. Blogger.
http://lewisbyebrooks.wordpress.com/
Those who do not move, do not notice their chains.
You didn't interpret it as he'd go find their homes, did you?
Never say, you weren't warned
When they come to drag you away
To silence the dissident hiding in us all
They clench the fist of ordained might
From which side of the barbed wire
Do you want to see your life pass by?
I actually think this whole situation makes a good argument against anti fascism. By opposing them we've ensured that they'll never realise their own interests as the people with the answers to the lies they've been fed are attacking them. Now those workers are lost to socialism forever good job anti-fa.
How on earth do you come to that conclusion?
There are more fascists in Whitehall...in my bookHow on earth do you come to that conclusion?
Parliament too.......to say nothing of Brussels.
In short we must respond to these few with measured responses or certainly we will look pretty much like them and certainly sound like them......just a thought.
Well they didn't start out as anti trade union and anti socialism. They started out as workers living in near poverty conditions with little hope of employment, especially those up north. They get fed nationalist and racist propaganda by the state and by media corporations and they reacted to it. Now instead of increasing our efforts in attempting to counteract the propaganda and raise the class conciousness of these workers we throw bricks at them. It doesn't seem to be spreading socialism at all.How on earth do you come to that conclusion?
Yes they fucking did, I unfortunately was active on their forum until February 2010.....
Never say, you weren't warned
When they come to drag you away
To silence the dissident hiding in us all
They clench the fist of ordained might
From which side of the barbed wire
Do you want to see your life pass by?
and there was no anti-fa action against them at that stage?
Huh? Why would we even want these few hundreds idiotic hooligans on our side?
Of course you must oppose them as they attack and divides the working class!
because if they were "on our side" then they wouldn't be attacking muslims. I'm not anti-fascist I'm anti-fascism, for me there's a difference I oppose the ideology not the people who have bought it's lies and for me the best way to oppose it is not to attack them as it seems as though that only strengthens their resolve. I'd rather put the case for socialism to them not by preaching but by giving them something they've probably never had, the truth.
And it is antifascism that have made them attacking muslims? No it is not. As long as they keep doing it we have to defend our class. You seem to think that the people in EDL dont have an ideology or some people who actually knows what they believe in and what they are doing. You are far to naive.
Was it antifascism that started the nazi-skinhead wave in England? No, it was militant antifascism that put an end to it.
We have to show them that this is not a game, this is not a simple hooligan-fight. It is far to easy for the majority of the EDL-gathering to just follow their leaders on the street(having a good time), but when it starts to cost something outside the streets they will fade away. And the leaders will remain but not be a threat anymore.
Dont give them victories on the street, attack them when they are less people and not ready to fight.
Okay dude, I'll lay down when they come running at me threatening to smash my face in. I'll lay down, because one day, he might become a comrade, and it's best I get the beating as opposed to him.
Direct action is great, but it often leads to confrontation in a physical sense because the EDL isn't just full of fascists, it's also got the odd geezer who just wants a fight. So, go on youtube, search EDL videos, find me one video where they don't fight amongst each other, or the police. Because the truth is, violence is a legitimate silencing tool. I'm not advocating in an all-out sense. Non-violent direct action can work, but as history has shown, it tends to lead to violent confrontation and therefore we must be willing to use physical violence to defend ourselves.
Very little, in fact it was predominantly UAF activity. The UAF would prevent direct action being used against the EDL. August 2010, in my home town, they came down. The UAF marched us straight into a kettle pen...
So, the answer is; yes, there was anti-fa action happening, but on a very low basis as the EDL was a relatively new organisation..
Never say, you weren't warned
When they come to drag you away
To silence the dissident hiding in us all
They clench the fist of ordained might
From which side of the barbed wire
Do you want to see your life pass by?
typical scab response by EDL here!
http://twitpic.com/7m3bzf
http://twitpic.com/7m4cum
EDL claim to represent white working class and when the public sector workers come out on strike they resent it. scabs.
They just think the gov. should be able to do what it wants, whether it's stealing 'Brit's' pensions or bombing 'paki' children.
