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When stories don't match up and are wildly different, I raise an eyebrow. Both sides have conflicts within their own positions and I can't take any of them seriously.
No, because I don't care enough about this topic to debate it. As I'm writing this right now I'm already cursing myself for not realizing that this was going to happen. I could have avoided this pointless shit.
Yes, I know that there were others targeted, and that focusing just on one group is silly.
Maybe I don't.
Seen it a long time ago. Didn't help.
Oh well.
I'd write more but I don't really care.
It is not hard to guess who'll win a fight between ballots and bullets. - Alexander Berkman
wtf??
of course it did happen...the jews were transported by day to the camps and everyone saw that. not to mention the surviving jews, communists etc who lost their comerades, family etc.
there are not two sides in this historical discussion, only a lot of proves on one side and fascist antisemites on the other side.
but, really, do we have to discuss this on a leftist forum???
Hasn't this guy just said that we need to be more open about holocaust literature and that if anyone ever challenges it they are immediately shout off the stage before they can speak? I don't think he's outright denied it, I'm probably wrong though.
Obviously the holocaust happened but if we were less politically correct these holocaust nutjobs wouldn't see an international conspiracy to silence them, just let them talk, rebutt them, and stop throwing them in jail.
As for David Duke meeting with him, I think this guy just wanted to hold a meeting of prominent holocaust skeptics/deniers, and David Duke would obviously be on that list. He probably invited him out of ignorance just like when Bush invited Colbert.
To get back to the original post:
I think that the people who "critical support" the state of Iran "against imperialism" recognize that the leader of Iran is, in fact, a total asshole. Denying that is about as futile as denying the Holocaust. But I think they argue that he's a lesser asshole when compared to imperialism.
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
Holocaust denial? Kinda like people who deny "communists" death toll. Disgusting...
Prolier than thou!
I thought sending a 12 year old to prison for life only happened in religious extremist countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia or the United States? - MattShizzle
Having met numerous holocaust survivors I can tell you the holocaust happened and it was fucking awful. There's mountains of evidence. The only people who deny it are delusional white nationalists.
In this case it's worse than reactionary, its fucking delusional.
Then there is something wrong with you. It happened 60 years ago. There are still Holocaust survivors.
Like what?
Ok that's absurd.
Not good enough
There is no "reasonable doubt".
Yes it does. What else are you agnostic about? The historic exploitation of the proletariat? How about Suharto's massacres? You weren't in Indonesia to see the East Timorese die. Maybe Suharto was actually a nice guy who didn't kill all of those people. How about blood diamonds? Sounds like a myth, right. I mean I've never been to Africa so I'll remain agnostic about it. Maybe the US didn't actually bomb Libya, maybe Qaddafi isn't a real person. How do I know, I've never met him, I've never been to Libya. Maybe Hitler isn't real either. Maybe Lenin wasn't real, maybe all the history that I've learned is just manufactured. There was no Roman Empire. I'll remain agnostic about all of those things.
“How in the hell could a man enjoy being awakened at 6:30 a.m. by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, shit, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?” Charles Bukowski, Factotum
"In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, as 'right-to-work.' It provides no 'rights' and no 'works.' Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom of collective bargaining... We demand this fraud be stopped." MLK
-fka Redbrother
At least denying evolution or heliocentrism doesn't piss on the graves of millions of people
The game of telephone operates by one person telling the next person something, and it traveling down a line slowly getting distorted, your analogy would hold some weight.....
if the holocaust happened 650 years ago, but there are people alive today who were there and can remember the holocaust in detail. In other words there are first hands sources confirming the holocaust happened and there is no reason for all those people to lie, unless you believe the crap the people over at *the website that shall not be named * believe
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pro...Elders_of_Zion
Theres a long tradition in radical anti-semitism of denying discrimination against jews and in a more radical sense the holocaust. Aky denounces the holocaust as jewish propaganda to establish israel
Formerly-- ICanHasClassWar?
The only "evidence" I have seen of him denying the holocaust are mistranslated excerpts used by the American right to advocate war with Iran. Inviting David Duke though... what the fuck.
Wait, why am I surprised?
sing me to sleep then leave me alone
No not at all actually. The holocaust was a systematic murder of entire groups of people. While the deaths in say the Soviet Union were a result of the health industry at the time, the fact that it was a WAR ZONE, and just simple material conditions.
Western scholars didn't care whether someone died at the hands of a disease or in a labor camp. They were all brutally murdered at the hands of Stalin, absurdity.
For the record, I'm not a M-L. That doesn't mean Stalin isn't highly demonized in contemporary historical circles.
sing me to sleep then leave me alone
I would also say, that while I do not agree with all political purges, that a political purge is different than a systematic whiteout of an entire race.
What "conflicts" lie within the overwhelming mountain of evidence that point to the intentional and genocidal murder of millions?
Essentially your position boils down to laziness. You've heard that someone questions the Holocaust and you can't be arsed to even think about the absurdity of that claim. In doing so you are implicitly supporting the denialist position while belittling the victims of Nazi genocide. This is tantamount to Holocaust denialism... but denialism borne of apathy and laziness rather than conspiracy theories. I'm not sure which is worse
From al Jazeera, a media outlet unlikely to be a puppet of the US rights and with some experience in translation:Originally Posted by Luke Shapiro
"They have fabricated a legend under the name Massacre of the Jews, and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves"
This is one of many examples that can be found online. The issues is greater than just Ahmadinejad however. The 2006 denialist conference in Tehran was sponsored by the state and elements of the Iranian media have also expressed similar sentiments. There is a real risk that we are seeing an upsurge in denialism and anti-Semitism cloaked by anti-Zionism
March at the head of the ideas of your century and those ideas will follow and sustain you. March behind them and they will drag you along. March against them and they will overthrow you.
Napoleon III
There are those that accept the clear and obvious truth and those that deny it. The Holocaust is really not a matter of debate. You're insulting millions. It's pretty disgusting.
The Holocaust didn't happen? That would be news to its victims. Some of my own family perished. They didn't just magically vanish into thin air.
Agnosticism on this issue is in poor taste.
"I have declared war on the rich who prosper on our poverty, the politicians who lie to us with smiling faces, and all the mindless, heartless robots who protect them and their property." - Assata Shakur
Agreed.
Saying you're skeptical about the holocaust is like saying you're skeptical about the world being a sphere.
Originally Posted by The Free DictionaryThe world isn't a sphereOriginally Posted by Wikipedia: Earth
Yup, the Earth is an oblate spheroid.
Thousand of Eyewitnesses, millions of victims, Thousand of documents, the confession of the perpetrators,tons of materials proofs.
there is no room for interpretation here hivemind, it did happened.
The fucking S.S braged about it at the Nuremberg Trial, Even Heinchman after his capture bragged about the number of people he ordered to kill.
Hell even the number of people kill can be approximately measured beccause its all in the Goddamn S.S documents.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
