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Ahmadinejad's holocaust denial
So this is a topic which this douchebag keeps bringing up, over and over again. It makes for great propaganda for militant Zionists and it makes moderate Jews scared and more sympathetic to the reactionary right. Holocaust denial, alongside similar positions such as Armenian genocide denial and slavery/manifest destiny-apologism, are among the most reactionary, degenerate political positions a person could take, and here we have a head of state making the same claim repeatedly and even having *conferences* on it.
Why, despite this bullshit, do some Leftists still seem to support his presidency? It shows that the description of him as a "fascist" is more accurate than many here I imagine would want to admit, especially when he invites David Duke for a meet and greet. Because, you know, nothing is more revolutionary than meeting with someone from the fucking KKK to deny the holocaust.
This, of course, to say nothing of Iran's policies to religious minorities, ethnic minorities and homosexuals.
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Argh...
I never did get the whole Holocaust Denial thing. WTF? Theres mountains of evidence that prove it happened!
Denying the Holocaust is like denying the Nanking Massacre! It's pointless, stupid and disrespectful to the people who lost their lives!
"I have no country to fight for. My country is the Earth. I am a citizen of the world." - Eugene Debs
I don't blame certain people who deny the holocaust. I've seen plenty of documentaries and shit like that which, although not necessarily factual, can easily sway a lot of people to believe that it didn't happen or that it isn't as bad as they say it happened. People are easily swayed in either direction, regardless of the existence or validity of evidence.
I personally don't pick a side on the holocaust thing.
It is not hard to guess who'll win a fight between ballots and bullets. - Alexander Berkman
It's criminal not to fight Holocaust Denial,as it's criminal to abuse the Holocaust for everyday political purposes (like Zionists do) and it's also criminal to conveniently "forget" (as it's often done in the public discourse) that not only 6 million Jews,but 15+ million other people too got murdered by the Nazis and their helpers.
I do not understand how you could not take a side on this thing? Are you not anti-fascist?
Of course I am, but from everything that I've seen from both sides of the holocaust argument, I have concluded that I don't trust either positions and I'd rather exclude myself from entering any holocaust debate, since I don't want to be on either side.
hes jus scoring political points from shit like this. playin to his fans or watever. he might actually believe it but he might not. its called political expediency or sumthing.
when did this happen? Links?
Pretty sure that he's been denying the holocaust for a looooong time.
Ignorance, Ignorance, Ignorance...you must also remember, this is the pillock who wants Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth, no matter what our views on the whole 'Palestine-Israel' topic are, that is a pretty fucked up thing to say.
'A REVOLUTIONARY has no personal interests, only his PASSION for the REVOLUTION itself'
WTF? this is not a debate, there are no sides except truth and fiction, my family got murdered by the nazi's, they where gassed, and so where millions of others. Refusing to take a position against those who refuse to acknowledge the genocide are complicit in the continuing existence of this insult to both the victims and human intellect.
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
I meant about meeting David Duke.
Okay I'm pretty sure this is bs, the translation was something more like he wanted the Israeli regime to dissapear from the pages of time.
That is a pretty reactionary viewpoint. Holocaust happened.
It's that kind of cowardice that lets those fascists run free. Come to your senses as a leftist, you'd even consider that it didn't happen? Don't sit on the fence
[FONT="Arial Black"]Our lives are rivers, gliding free
To that unfathomed, boundless sea,
The silent grave!
Thither all earthly pomp and boast
Roll, to be swallowed up and lost
In one dark wave. - Jorge Manrique[/FONT]
Skepticism is reactionary, eh?
Neither the "holocaust happened" nor the "holocaust didn't happen" side has convinced me, and both sides are riddled with many holes in their arguments. Someone, somewhere has fucked something up, and it's been like a long game of telephone, and everybody's story is now completely different on either side, and now I can't believe either side with 100% certainty. Of course I'm more inclined to believe that it happened, but I cannot be certain about the details of it, so I remain agnostic about the whole situation because without certainty or at least a reasonable doubt, I have nothing to base my beliefs on. This doesn't sound irrational, does it?
Your agnosticism is pointless when it comes to this matter, I know you are inclined towards the view that it did happen but why have even the smallest doubt that it didn't happen? That sounds pretty reactionary if you ask me.
[FONT="Arial Black"]Our lives are rivers, gliding free
To that unfathomed, boundless sea,
The silent grave!
Thither all earthly pomp and boast
Roll, to be swallowed up and lost
In one dark wave. - Jorge Manrique[/FONT]
Nothing wrong with critiquing history, but Hive, you should probably start a new thread on this or provide some links that show an alternative view because it's quite hard to believe that it didn't happen.
Fact of the matter is, we have around 7 holocausts every year and the people go unremembered. Even in the holocaust at Germany there were another 6 million non-jews (communists, gay etc.) who were killed alongside the jews. And around 60million during the whole war. I see no reason why people like to focus so much on the jews.
If you deny something which is so extensively documented and recorded, how can you believe in anything?
^ this is a valid position to have on the holocaust
^ this is the reason we have this thread (http://www.revleft.com/vb/holocaust-...842/index.html) stickied in the anti-fascist section
your position is as rational as doubting evolution or that the earth revolves around the sun, no not even "agnostics" (aptly chosen term that) should doubt that
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
