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    Debate between Bill Martin of The Socialist Party of Great Britain and John Gray (Labour Party activist and blogger - http://grayee.blogspot.com/)

    Thursday, November 17, 2011, 7:30pm

    Resource for London (The Dome Room), 356 Holloway Road, London N7 6PA

    Free entry

    All welcome

    Lively audience participation anticipated.

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    Absolutely not. Labour has absolutely no concern for the average working person. The "neo-idealist" left as Blair called them. A bunch of right-wingers with good acting lessons.
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    They are earnest, but only from the teeth outwards.
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    Absolutely not. Labour has absolutely no concern for the average working person. The "neo-idealist" left as Blair called them. A bunch of right-wingers with good acting lessons.
    That's very true but we could change that.
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    Labour party ? them middle class wannabe bastards ? Never.
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    Labour party ? them middle class wannabe bastards ? Never.
    It certainly wasn't middle class at its origins but at the moment it is the nearest to the left major party in Britain.
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    It certainly wasn't middle class at its origins but at the moment it is the nearest to the left major party in Britain.
    So they're traitors then?
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    It certainly wasn't middle class at its origins but at the moment it is the nearest to the left major party in Britain.
    Yes, that is what I meant, I should have stated 'new labour' are middle class.
    Other working class heroes, such as Nye Bevan, creator of the NHS (who my grandfather was actually quite lucky to see speak at a conference) are one of the many heroes who were a part of the labour movement when they had socialist principles.
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    Absolutely not. Labour has absolutely no concern for the average working person. The "neo-idealist" left as Blair called them. A bunch of right-wingers with good acting lessons.
    LOL there's no such thing as a politician who can act well. They all look and sound as phony as a human being could without turning themselves into a comedian. It would be less painful and much quicker if they just admitted they're lying instead of making me cringe with their awful, fake personalities and avoiding questions. Tony Blair is somewhere at the top of the list...
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    No, it is a fake labour party. Blair supported the Iraq War. A revolution could happen within the party yet the leadership aren't to be admired.
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    The trade unions would probably do well to cosy up the the Labour Party; both have roughly the same revolutionary potential.

    Oh yeah, I went there...
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    The trade unions would probably do well to cosy up the the Labour Party; both have roughly the same revolutionary potential.

    Oh yeah, I went there...
    Oh no you didn't!
    "It is we the workers who built these palaces and cities here in Spain and in America and everywhere. We, the workers, can build others to take their place. And better ones! We are not in the least afraid of ruins. " - Buenaventura Durutti

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    It certainly wasn't middle class at its origins but at the moment it is the nearest to the left major party in Britain.
    Oh, so that's okay then. We should openly embrace "responsible capitalism".

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