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Restrictions on Pro-lifers
(this can change out of learning because I didn't know where to put it)
When I first came to Revleft I was against abortion. I never vocalized that because I saw that you could get restricted for this. I have completely reversed my views now after a lot more thinking on the subject and reading discussions on here.
I want to note though that my pro-life stance didn't come through religion because I was atheist. It came because I felt that it was the right thing to do to protect the life of a fetus in most circumstances. It was misguided feelings of wanting to help people.
I don't understand why those who are against abortion are restricted. Not only because I think it is not needed but also because say I was open about my anti-abortion views when I first got here. I would have been restricted. My views have completely changed but how do you know that to unrestrict me?
Freedom before Peace
They're restricted because it is a reactionary position. Its anti-woman.
If you had been restricted and come to change your position you could've gotten out of OI by demonstrating that you no longer held those opinions, people have been let out of OI in the past, shit, Mari3l was restricted and now shes a mod.
Also, you should be retroactively restricted.
Just kidding.
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I think LS's position ( which was anti-woman ) while reactionary when he first came here, can be applied to other posters/lurkers. I almost passed up joining because i was inexperienced and did worry about getting restricted/banned and therefor losing access to this forum. I'd say 90% of my posts are utter shit, and i still refrain from posting and getting into more intellectual debates because i do fear my positions in them might get me restricted, not so much because of my views but because i don't really know what can and can't get you restricted.
To be honest... abortion is a sticky issue for me. I have my own hang ups on abortion based on how I feel about it. It is not fair to anyone and abortion is a very difficult issue for me to say... "yeah I'm pro-choice!" when it seems very wrong on a spiritual and emotional level. I will never argue against a woman's right to choose to abort. It simply isn't my choice no matter how wrong I think it is.
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I see you haven't beat idiots in the head with that sack of door knobs. Get to work slack ass.
Personally, I am anti-abortion, but I am not in any way anti-choice.
If my partner called me right now and told me she was pregnant (oh god, phone, please don't ring) and she wanted to have an abortion I would not want her to. We would obviously have to have a long conversation where we could each take the other's opinion to heart.
But in the end, if despite my pleadings to carry it, she decided to have an abortion, that would be her choice to make, not mine, because its not my body, and I don't have to carry it. And I would have to be mature enough to understand, that whatever I might want, it is not up to me, and I wouldn't (shouldn't) be able to hold it against her.
Put capitalism in a bag of rice.
They should be banned, just like other sexists/racists/homophobics
Why should I have been banned? Have I not been a positive poster here and contributed? Have I not reversed the views that were wrong? Did I not try to learn?
No, there is no need to ban pro-lifers and we actually have a number of other ones on this board who are very good posters.
Freedom before Peace
You shouldn't have been banned, because you kept it a secret until you developed your understanding of Communism and realised pro-life is a load of bollocks.
I'm talking about absolute idiots who come here, call themselves communist and then spurt out a load of bullshit anti-communist views. A good example is people being pro-Zionism (there's been a recent case with some absolute idiot called Scarlet Sojourner or something like that).
when I was quite new here there seemed to be a new abortion thread every month, with many people getting restricted. There's questions I would have liked to ask but didn't because at that time it seemed as though anyone asking a question which challenged the official line would be restricted. I feel this does create an atmosphere of fear and intellectual dishonesty. There are still people who are restricted over the abortion issue and have changed their views but are still restricted which is a shame.
Yes,Revleft is a very authoritarian forum.
On topic,i think that the term "pro-life" itself is horrible.
It should be "anti-abortion" or something.
I don't think that banning them is the proper option. At least they should be given a decent amount of time to assess their views. If they are not pro-choice then they should be restricted only if they post propaganda and in general harass us with something that should be a non-issue. If they merely state that they are "pro-life" I don't think that they should be restricted, so long as it doesn't interfere with the forums activities and they aren't actively trying to "convert" us.
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I lean towards being pro-choice. On most topics, I find it hard to understand why someone would have such opposing views; however, although I am not pro-life, I can somewhat understand why some people are. I believe that most pro-lifers do not wish to purposely discriminate against women, rather they are more concerned about killing what could become a human. I have a little more mercy for opposing ideologies on the abortion case, than I do on other political issues.
Is opposing late term abortions sexist?
Developed an understanding of communism? I had it already. On a certain topic my views were mistaken, that doesn't mean I didn't have an understanding of communism. Get off your high horse.
And yeah, I reported that person
Freedom before Peace
My position is abortion, on demand, no questions asked, at any point during pregnancy.
Put capitalism in a bag of rice.
Yes.
Whatever moral or ethical qualms one may have even with late-term abortions, the fact remains that (in the words of the BA in the FAQ) anyone "[calling] for any kind of barrier to access or [suggesting] that any other party should have any degree of control will be restricted on the grounds that opposition to abortion is a form of sexism."
In the real world abortion is in reach of many more. it was always so. Legal abortion despite opposition from a venal catholic clergy has come about through peoples efforts. The rich never batted an eyelid they have always had access to abortion or indeed divorce.Illegal abortion placed a female in a terrible dilemma....risk of death, blackmail and criminal prosecution. People defied the catholic church in Italy by bringing in legal abortion. Before that time a pal in Naples introduced me to her Ma 8 children and 45 abortions under her belt. Curious I asked my pal why no contraceptives, ma was a nurse Auntie a doctor after all. "Such a simple procedure why bother with all that Paraphernalia." Surely the penalties would be terrible if the authorities found out about your ma and Aunty's abortion activities.(they had carried out 1,000's). They had been summoned to a examining magistrate a well known papal bigot. She demanded the paperwork which had not been found, accusing her of obstructing an investigation. On the contrary she would be the most cooperative witness the state ever had. The papers were indeed elsewhere in duplicate in 2 places in case of fire. Start by giving names...."SISTER....SISTER,,SISTER oh cazzo...help me "... "yes i know who you mean, good family too!!" The double act soon became a comedy routine the office was cleared as they alluded to ranking officials of state church and media, whose wife daughter or girlfriend had sought assistance. Needless to say the matter was dropped and never resurfaced...or they ever kept any records. So nun priest police political capo, careworn housewives could all sleep well that night. Here in catholic lala land neighbour's very young daughter died after an illegal abortion .Sad affair. College, everything to look forward to. What more do we need to know? Is there a moral issue buried under all this hypocrisy? We must prise the claws of religion from our flesh. Tame religion...it's the only way to live. It really is.
What I find most shocking and hypocritical about self proclaimed "pro-lifers" (in the US especially), is that they're almost always religious fundamentalists, who claim they're standing up for human life, but yet they wholeheartedly support America's overseas wars that kill countless innocent people. "If it's abortion, it's murder. If it's our troops killing innocents, it's just collateral damage".And while they oppose abortion, they also oppose contraception, which reduces abortion rates....
That being said, while I am fully pro-choice, I think abortion should be avoided as much as possible outside of rape and incest cases. People should have the good sense to use protection during sex if they don't want kids, instead of just doing it and then resorting to an abortion because they were careless during sex. And there should be more sex education in schools to encourage this. Apparently, the US Bible belt has the highest rate of teenage abortions in North America, because kids aren't taught about contraception by their parents and teachers, and so they have unprotected sex without realizing what will happen...
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