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    since Oakland seems for now to have the more radical developments generating a lot of content in this subforum i thought it prudent to give it its own newswire to run next to the general Occupy wallstreet one.
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    Photography Is Not A Crime of the Day: Just when you think the Oakland PD’s response to Occupy Oakland couldn’t get any worse, a new video emerges to prove you wrong.
    YouTuber antiprocon writes:
    While filming a police line at Occupy Oakland after midnight on Nov. 3 following the Nov. 2 general strike, an officer opens fire and shoots me with a rubber bullet. I was standing well back. There was no violence or confrontations of any kind underway.
    The incident starts @ 0:31, when a tall police officer can be seen raising his rifle. Moments later a shot is heard, followed immediately by a clearly visible smoke trail.
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    According to press reports, ex-oakland mayor and current California govenor is planning on sending in the national guard in the next week.
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    According to press reports, ex-oakland mayor and current California govenor is planning on sending in the national guard in the next week.
    I'm curious to know where from. I'm willing to bet that lots of the national guard local to Oakland have been involved in the occupation, because I bet a lot of them are students and union workers.
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    According to press reports, ex-oakland mayor and current California govenor is planning on sending in the national guard in the next week.
    Interesting development. As an aside wasn't Gov. Moonbeam a leftist for a short time? Not that this means anything, as I understand Mayor Quan was a Maoist (maybe still is). Whatever one's past affiliations, once you sleep w/the Dems you cross a class line.

    As I understand the ruling class had problems when the National Guard was called in to crush the Watts uprising.Units which were primarily African-American weren't considered reliable so Guard units from upper middle class white areas of California were called in.

    Is there any Occupy "outreach" to the Guard? Any attempt to turn them?
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    There are rumors of another raid as early as Wednesday - as in today - although more likely within the week. The city met with the non-profit/religious nexus to encourage them to "enforce peace" and asking them to move the occupation to other locations.

    My guess is that their plan is to evict again and try and win some liberal groups to re-camp someplace else - physically splitting the movement between the organic camp as it is (who will undoubtedly want to re-camp in the same place - and I agree 100%) and a "yellow" camp someplace else. I think the city sees the split opened in the movement around the debate over the so-called violence against innocent windows and thinks if they bluntly apply pressure again it will crack open even if it also causes more backlash.

    IMO the camp should not respond with diversity of tactics this time, but with a militant and coordinated direct action (or series of them, but the important thing would be that people do it in large numbers). So yeah I'd discourage random adventures in favor of a much bigger one that will show our unity and expose the pacifists as being way behind the movement and more interested in controlling the movement than actually defending it (which is their argument for policing others).

    I doubt my argument will convince people who are just out to vent frustration, but I think another scuffle between the "peace police" and militants will do more damage than before because of the unresolved questions after the general strike. Likewise, letting the pacifists discourage any kind of direct and forceful response will also damage the movement.

    At any rate, check out this story from the SF Chronicle about the city's plans for alternate locations for the camp - ones that they didn't consult the actual protesters about. What jackasses.

    I kind of love that the chamber of commerce has been so publicly involved and hawkish about ending the camp - it really exposes them and could give the local movement some local villains to go after in the public. It would be better if the chamber people wore top-hats and were beating Victorian street-children at the same time when they spoke about the camp.

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    According to press reports, ex-oakland mayor and current California govenor is planning on sending in the national guard in the next week.
    Oh man - do you have links for this?! It would make sense and give up more of a time-line if the rumors I'm hearing are correct.
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    Interesting development. As an aside wasn't Gov. Moonbeam a leftist for a short time? Not that this means anything, as I understand Mayor Quan was a Maoist (maybe still is). Whatever one's past affiliations, once you sleep w/the Dems you cross a class line.

    As I understand the ruling class had problems when the National Guard was called in to crush the Watts uprising.Units which were primarily African-American weren't considered reliable so Guard units from upper middle class white areas of California were called in.

    Is there any Occupy "outreach" to the Guard? Any attempt to turn them?
    No doubt that if they do send in the guard it will be people from far northern cali or the south. During the SF General strike they did that and kept the guard in total blackout - telling the enlistees that SF was taken over by a bolshevik coup. The enlistees, according to an anecdote from "The Big Strike" got wise when the officers kept sneaking off the boats to go drinking and dancing in SF nightclubs.

    At any rate, I don't know of any outreach in this regard - the veterans groups have been coming out more after Scott Olsen was attacked by the cops and that could have a big impact and make using the Guard risky for the state. If this is true about the Guard, my guess is that OPD and other police agencies will do the heavy repression and the guard will only then be used as "peace-keepers" to "restore order" to the city after the dutiful press reports a second raid as a "melee between protesters and police".

    That way the whole state system (and Democratic party) won't be de-legitimized; OPD wants to be seen by Oaklanders as skull-cracking anyway and any PR that they might have cared about is dirtied so they have nothing to loose. Then the guard will probably hold the plaza for a week while the city and NGOs encourage people to re-camp under a freeway or in some remote park far away from the public eye.
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    Merged 2 occupy oakland newswire threads. .
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    Merged 2 occupy oakland newswire threads. .
    The other thread you merged was for Occupy Portland, not Oakland.
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    Breaking

    Just got a text from my friend in Oakland, the city is holding an anti-occupation press conference at 1pm (local).


    If you haven't heard, the city is preparing to offer a separate space designated for protesting. Obviously in an attempt to split the movement.
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    The other thread you merged was for Occupy Portland, not Oakland.

    your right, sorry, reversed/fixed, that will teach me to mod on my phone...
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    your right, sorry, reversed/fixed, that will teach me to mod on my phone...
    I actually thought that I had done it cause I was on the forum from my phone
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    I think that people will probably be able to see through the ploy of "hey, guys, doesn't this new space look so much more inviting than where you are now? yeah? uuuuuuuh-huuuuuuuuh..." In order to move the campers, they'll probably need to send in the goon squad (OPD).
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    I think that people will probably be able to see through the ploy of "hey, guys, doesn't this new space look so much more inviting than where you are now? yeah? uuuuuuuh-huuuuuuuuh..." In order to move the campers, they'll probably need to send in the goon squad (OPD).
    Apparently after the eviction the dynamic of the occupation changed quite a bit, and a lot more older, whiter, more middle class liberals started coming out.

    The city is obviously trying to pander to that element, and maximize on the rift created by the militant actions on the general strike.
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    Interesting development. As an aside wasn't Gov. Moonbeam a leftist for a short time? Not that this means anything, as I understand Mayor Quan was a Maoist (maybe still is). Whatever one's past affiliations, once you sleep w/the Dems you cross a class line.

    As I understand the ruling class had problems when the National Guard was called in to crush the Watts uprising.Units which were primarily African-American weren't considered reliable so Guard units from upper middle class white areas of California were called in.

    Is there any Occupy "outreach" to the Guard? Any attempt to turn them?
    As to Moonbeam, yes, he keynoted the founding convention of the stillborn "labor party" in 1996. You had a pretty big union support rally in the Bay Area for the British dock strike in the late '90s, where I was the guy picked out to carry my union banner. Most of the speeches were real sleepers, but I woke up to a guy giving a fiery radical talk. Much to my surprise, it was Jerry Brown!

    When he ran for Mayor of Oakland, he got in with the white vote, being as the Oakland mayoralty had been black for decades with a lot of ex-Panthers in municipal office, all too often involved in corruption scandals.

    So he didn't want to run as a Democrat, so he told an interviewer he was running as a candidate of the "Labor Party." Much to the annoyance of what was left of the "Labor Party," which wasn't quite dead yet. They did not want to annoy the East Bay labor leaders who had endorsed Ignacio De La Fuente, a once-radical union leader who now leads the right wing of the Oakland City Council, the folk who want the cops to go in and bust as many heads as possible.

    When he was governor, the Dead Kennedys did a great song about him, "California Uber Alles." Leadman Jello Biafra got quite a few votes when he ran for mayor of SF in the late '7ps.

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    When he was governor, the Dead Kennedys did a great song about him, "California Uber Alles." Leadman Jello Biafra got quite a few votes when he ran for mayor of SF in the late '7ps.
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    The fine tooth combs continue to run over Occupy Oakland’s general strike on Wednesday, November 2nd, its sequence of marches, port shutdown, and building occupation. News, however, is just now trickling out about military veteran Kayvan Sabehgi (two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan), currently recovering from surgery for a spleen lacerated by a beating police administered during his arrest early Thursday morning, November 3rd, near the occupied Traveler’s Aid building on 16th in downtown Oakland. As opposed to the case of Scott Olsen, which immediately surged to the attention of the nation, Sabehgi’s story is emerging by way of international sources. The repetition of events marks out a decisive contrast in their coverage: first a tragedy, then a farce.

    According to his own account, 32-year-old Sabehgi was surrounded by a group of cops — he was then struck, forced down, and struck repeatedly with batons. In severe pain, he arrived at jail where the “nurse” suggested a suppository for his vomiting and diarrhea. When he was finally bailed out the following afternoon, he was too weak to leave his cell. His jailers shut the door; eventually an ambulance rushed him to treatment. While corporate media outlets busily reported on the “violent” window breaking and graffiti from Wednesday, the real violence the thousands on the ground saw was, as usual, concentrated in the hands of the state.
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    wow, I'd heard of this incident before, but never in any detail. Suprised it isn't bigger news.
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    Shit,

    Someone was shot and killed right outside the Occupy camp in Oakland last night right before the one month anniversary party. This terrible incident also couldn't have been better for the city of Oakland.

    The city shut off the park lights and water the night before and earlier this week some of the campers I talked to claimed that the city was dropping off released convicts there, though I have no confirmation and think he was maybe a little paranoid. The moral of the full-time campers seems to have gone down the crowding and poor weather and a lot more open drunkeness and fighting among people.

    I doesn't really matter that this sad incident happens all the time in Oakland and could have happened without the camp - it gives the city the change in momentum and public acceptance of their "disorder" propaganda about the camp, so they will defiantly try and capitalize on this incident.
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