How many M-Ls here are Hoxhaists, Maoists, etc?

[Susurrus]

Wondering about the distribution of M-L tendencies here.


EDIT: Could a mod or admin change it so you can see the results without voting please? Also, please add "Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist-Titoist" as an option.

[Искра]

You didn't put Titoists here

[Susurrus]

You didn't put Titoists here

I don't believe I've ever seen one on the forum, they are an extinct species here. But if there are any, vote other and post your ideology.

[Commissar Rykov]

I don't believe I've ever seen one on the forum, they are an extinct species here. But if there are any, vote other and post your ideology.

That is because they are restricted as Market Socialists IIRC.

[Bronco]

The Titoism group has 22 members so looks like there are some around and they're not restricted

[tir1944]

Titoism ain't MLism.
Also voted "Stalinist-Hoxhaist".

[Искра]

For example Punisa, Yugo45 and Valter are Titoists (imho). I saw few of them on this forum, so I believe that they deserve their own place in poll. After all, we all know that most of ML’s are Hoxhaists since that is latest trend on that part of a left. And Titoism is Marxism-Leninism, since Marxism-Leninism means following certain ideological pattern/line, which Titoists do follow but they have certain distinctions from Stalinists and Maoists, which is why you have tag Titoist to make a distinction.

[tir1944]

Again,Titoism ain't Marxism Leninism.
It's an "ideology" born out of the '48 split with all other ML parties.

[Искра]

Again,Titoism ain't Marxism Leninism.
It's an "ideology" born out of the '48 split with all other ML parties.

Feel free to provide some decent argumentation for a change. Also, according to your logic Maoism is not Marxism-Leninism.

Since, I’m a good person I’ll try to help you. Please write me a definition (please not from Wikipedia) of what Marxism Leninism is, what makes some Communist Party Marxist Leninist and I’ll write you how Titoism is ML.

Also, we all know that split between Yugoslavia and Comintern/Soviet Union was because Yugoslavia resisted Soviet imperialism. If you don’t agree that I would like to ask you to prove me different with historical sources, documents etc. I do have a lot of that in my favour and I can easily give you names of authors and books which you, as a user from ex-Yugoslavia, can easily find in your local library.


So, in other words I dare you to post like an intelligent Marxist-Leninist.

[tir1944]

Also, according to your logic Maoism is not Marxism-Leninism.

Yes,according to Hoxha,IIRC,this is indeed the case.
However that's a rather controversial issue.
But pretty muche every MList will tell you that Titoism ISN'T Marxism Leninism.
Titoism rejects a socialist planned economy,the vanguard party and tons of other "components" of MLism.

Please write me a definition (please not from Wikipedia) of what Marxism Leninism is, what makes some Communist Party Marxist Leninist and I’ll write you how Titoism is ML.

I'm afraid i'm not capable of doing this.
Maybe some other ML comrades can help...

Also, we all know that split between Yugoslavia and Comintern/Soviet Union was because Yugoslavia resisted Soviet imperialism.

Whose definition of "imperialism" are you using?

[Smyg]

Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist-Hoxhaist-Maoist-Trotskyist-Luxembourgist-Bakuninist-Kropotkinist-Titoist-Guevarist-Castroist-Chavist-Peronist-Bolivarianist. With slight liberal leanings, and conservative morals. Obviously.

It's amusing how we cling on to individuals.

[Искра]

So, Tir1944 you exactly don’t know why Titoism is not Marxism-Leninism, but because Hoxha said it isn’t you are saying that it isn’t? Also, you are not capable of defining me what exactly is Marxism-Leninism, an ideology you support? Why are you supporting something you can not define?

Also, for your notice – Titoism supports vanguard party, Titoism supports planned economy, Titoism supports Popular Front, Titoism supports “socialism in one country”, Titoism supports national liberation etc. Also, Tito’s first text you have on marxist.org is against Trotskyism and Tito was a NKVD’s agent (also, half of Central Committee of Yugoslav Communist Party was in NKVD).

World of politics is full of small men with big ambitions.

[tir1944]

So, Tir1944 you exactly don’t know why Titoism is not Marxism-Leninism, but because Hoxha said it isn’t you are saying that it isn’t?

I do know.

Also, you are not capable of defining me what exactly is Marxism-Leninism, an ideology you support? Why are you supporting something you can not define?

I have an understanding of the subject,however i'm afraid i won't be able come up with a proper,encyclopedial definition of the term.At least not in English...

Also, for your notice – Titoism supports vanguard party, Titoism supports planned economy, Titoism supports Popular Front, Titoism supports “socialism in one country”, Titoism supports national liberation etc.

Wasn't it you who talked about the logic of the renaming the Party into "Savez Komunista"?
Also how come Tito abandoned a soc. pl. economy?
Also many other ideologies support nat. lib,pop. front etc,so this isn't really relevant.

Also, Tito’s first text you have on marxist.org is against Trotskyism and Tito was a NKVD’s agent (also, half of Central Committee of Yugoslav Communist Party was in NKVD).

I've read that text.Nothing of importance.He speaks about Trots shitting(!) on church altars.
There's really nothign of intellectual or any other value in that text.

[Susurrus]

I have an understanding of the subject,however i'm afraid i won't be able come up with a proper,encyclopedial definition of the term.At least not in English...

Someone needs to read their Stalin more...

"Leninism is Marxism of the era of imperialism and the proletarian revolution. To be more exact, Leninism is the theory and tactics of the proletarian revolution in general, the theory and tactics of the dictatorship of the proletariat in particular"

[La Peur Rouge]

Isn't Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist redundant? I thought Stalin made up the term.

[Искра]

You missed my entire point. I’m not asking of your to provide me deep analytical answer, but I’m asking of you to provide us with an answer which is deeper and bigger than one sentence in “Tito was revisionist” style. If you are claiming that Titoism is not Marxism-Leninism then provide some argumentation for your claim. For example you can always write few “components” of Marxism-Leninism and write which of these “components” Titoism doesn’t have. You can write that on Croatian I’ll translate on English.

I said that Tito renamed communist party into Union of communists, but that doesn’t mean that he’s against vanguard party. Also, I pointed out few “components” which are unique to Lenin’s and Stalin’s teachings and which other leftists do not support. But Tito did.

Regarding that text: its insignificance just proves that he was a Marxist Leninist.

[Susurrus]

Isn't Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist redundant? I thought Stalin made up the term.

Yeah, but the term to show the "intellectual succession" requires stalin be mentioned. Plus if I just put "marxist-leninist" as an option, a flamewar between tendencies would erupt in a second(as it kindof already has).

[Искра]

There's no tendency war as I'm not a Titoist I'm just inteligent

[tir1944]

Someone needs to read their Stalin more...

That definition i am familiar with,however it's not enough.

Anyway,Kontra,here's a whole page on why Titoism can't be considered MLism.

http://anonym.to/?http://espressosta...onism/titoism/

[Искра]

I asked for your replay not links. I know why Stalinists consider Titoism revisionist, but still Titoism is Marxism-Leninism.