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    There better be riots after the election. Pro-austerity parties are going to lose the popular vote badly, and yet retain control of Parliament. New Democracy will gain 50 bonus seats for winning a plurality of the popular vote, thus ensuring a government that subverts the will of the Greek people.

    In other news, 5 - 7% of the Greek population should be tortured to the brink of insanity and thrown into a mass grave. Opinion polls show Nazi party Golden Dawn as high as 7.5%!
    The fact that a far- right party like Golden Dawn gains electoral support in times of dire economic and political crisis shouldn´t shock or surprise anyone. How do you expect members of the small and middle bourgeoisie to react to a situation like that in Greece?
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    I predicted this rise for the GD in previous debates. KKE is polling at 10% (which is a significant drop from last months polls which put it at 12.5 or 13.5%) Syriza polls at 10% as well. GD is still avaraging a 5% (and indeed with some polls going as high as 7.8% ) which is up significantly from the 2.5-3.5% a few months ago.
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    I predicted this rise for the GD in previous debates. KKE is polling at 10% (which is a significant drop from last months polls which put it at 12.5 or 13.5%) Syriza polls at 10% as well. GD is still avaraging a 5% (and indeed with some polls going as high as 7.8% ) which is up significantly from the 2.5-3.5% a few months ago.
    Seriously, fuck the polls. I dont know how they work where you come from, but around here they are more of a control than a analysing tool. Dont even bother.
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    Polls are just another tool for political manipulation in the hands of the government and the state, though as being a tool to inject their class oriented filth into people's consciousness,; they all reflect an aspect of the truth: polarization and crisis within the "mono-block" ruling class.

    And within the limitations of bending the truth, they are considered as well-functioned for the sovereign class. Thus, in order to foresee the elections or where the people's political choices are heading towards, the elections and polls are misleading for both the revolutionaries and people.

    At least, I believe that this is the point where bourgeois democracy has come to in collapsing European economies.

    And as for the elections, rather than consideration of polls, both the results and holding of it will end catastrophically, as in Russia.
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    Nazis rooted out of villages in Crete; anti-fascist gathering in Heraklion today
    The nazis of Golden Dawn attempted to enter a number of villages in Crete, including Amira Viannou. The village saw the execution of 114 of its male members in September 1943, by the nazi occupation force. The local holocaust survivors’ association, along with anarchists and anti-fascists from Heraklion, set up a block preventing the nazis from entering the village. Similarly, the nazis were blocked off the village of Viannos and were eventually forced to cancel their propaganda tour.
    Today (Apr 29) the nazis have planned a gathering at the town of Alikarnasos, near the city of Heraklion, at noon. Local anarchists and antifascists have already gathered at the spot.
    More information as it comes.
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    Little stories from IMF-run Greece: migrant concentration camp opens in Athens; racist Greek assassinates Albanian worker near the camp in cold blood; FRONTEX border force causes the death of yet another three migrants
    Monday, April 30, 2012
    “When I hear of order, it smells of*human flesh”*(Odysseas Elytis)
    Today, the Ministry of so-called Citizen Protection announced the inaugural transfer of 56 undocumented migrants to the first so-called*”closed hospitality centre”, in the settlement of Amygdaleza, NW Athens. How many*euphemisms*can fit in a single sentence? The centre is the first concentration camp in the Greek territory. Ahead of the elections of May 6th, Greek Democracy strikes against the weakest, in a tough (and therefore desperate) bid to infuse a sense of common purpose and vision to its rapidly disgruntled subjects — or, when there is little left to feed to the populace, fear comes to order’s (momentary) rescue.
    On the same day, only a few hundred meters from the location of the first concentration camp, a Greek male ran over a 53-year old Albanian day laborer who was waiting, with others, to be picked up. The driver, according to witnesses (GR), ran into the crowd of workers while driving with his partner in the car, shouting “I’ll fuck you all”. He drove away and one of the workers ran off to the local police station to report the incident; the police refused to intervene. A little while later the driver returned, this time shooting at the workers. He injured one Pakistani worker at his feet and another Albanian worker at his hip. As the 53-year old worker paused, the driver exited his car, shot him in the head in cold blood, and drove away.
    As is by now customary in such murders, no mainstream media have reported the names of any of the victims involved, and it has been so far impossible to identify them from other sources.
    Also on the same day, a vehicle of the international border patrol force, FRONTEX, was involved in yet another deadly incident at the Evros border: a car carrying undocumented migrants caught fire under following a car chase (it is still unclear how). The driver and another two of its passengers were burnt in the fire and died.
    More info will most probably never come.
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    From our blog, I will check the sources, not because I doubt my own party but just because this is too unbelievable.

    QUESTION: Who is the third biggest arms importer in the world, behind India and China?

    ANSWER: Greece


    QUESTION: If Greece had spent the EU average on defence over the past 10 years (1.7%) of GDP rather than spending 4% of GDP, how much money would it have saved?

    ANSWER: 52% of GDP or Euro150 billion.

    QUESTION: In the period 2006-2010 which country was Germany’s largest market for munitions?

    ANSWER: Greece, which accounted for 15% of total German arms sales.


    QUESTION: In the same period, what country was France’s largest arms export market in Europe (third largest overall)?

    ANSWER: Greece


    QUESTION: In 2010 (last year data is available) social spending in Greece was cut by 1.8bn Euros, how much did military spending change?

    a) Decreased by Euro 900 million
    b) No change
    c) Increased by Euro 900million

    ANSWER: C


    http://socialismoryourmoneyback.blog...reek-quiz.html
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    From our blog, I will check the sources, not because I doubt my own party but just because this is too unbelievable.

    QUESTION: Who is the third biggest arms importer in the world, behind India and China?

    ANSWER: Greece


    QUESTION: If Greece had spent the EU average on defence over the past 10 years (1.7%) of GDP rather than spending 4% of GDP, how much money would it have saved?

    ANSWER: 52% of GDP or Euro150 billion.

    QUESTION: In the period 2006-2010 which country was Germany’s largest market for munitions?

    ANSWER: Greece, which accounted for 15% of total German arms sales.


    QUESTION: In the same period, what country was France’s largest arms export market in Europe (third largest overall)?

    ANSWER: Greece


    QUESTION: In 2010 (last year data is available) social spending in Greece was cut by 1.8bn Euros, how much did military spending change?

    a) Decreased by Euro 900 million
    b) No change
    c) Increased by Euro 900million

    ANSWER: C


    http://socialismoryourmoneyback.blog...reek-quiz.html
    Sounds very plausible, I know Greece spends insane amounts on the military and they are exempt from all austerity, they are really scared for a new coup/junta as the military guards its position zealously as paranoid as they are about a Turkish invasion (which is extremely improbable as long as turkey very much wants to get in the e.u. and remain in nato.
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    Elections day today, as of 18:30 Athens hour ballot boxes are going to close at 19:00. TV Channels such as MEGA TV, ANT1, ALPHA are going to be covering all the updates for the elections and have results about votes gradually and frequently in analytical diagrams. At 19:00 there is also gonna be an approximate first result of the elections. However, on the last gallop which was done right before the ballot boxes opened, some results are
    quite unexpected.New Democracy as expected is the first party with 15,8% and therefore becomes the governing party.

    SYRIZA, disguised as "leftists" but are opportunists which are perceived same with the PASOK twats, by the left get a 15,5% that gets them a second party which is quite unexpected.
    Independent Greeks the party found by an ex-ND MP Panos Kammenos gets a 11,1% but WTF he's a fuckin nationalist and same with ND. Sometimes I think that Greek voters are a bunch of assholes!
    PASOK gets a 9,3% and becomes the fourth party.
    KKE the Communist Party gets 6,7% .
    Then comes DIMAR (Democratic Left,PASOK idiots) that gets 5,8% and enters the parliament.
    Golden Fart(Dawn)*****es also enter the parliament with a 5,7%! I just want to believe that this is only true for a gallop!Golden Dawn MUST NOT enter the parliament.
    Ecologists get a 4,3% and enter the parliament.
    Then comes LAOS which gets a 2,5% and according to the gallop it gets out of the parliament.
    Finally, Dimokratiki Simachia gets 1,8% and Social Symphony 0,8%.
    Neutrals are 2,4% , undecided 8,4% , other parties 6,5% , "I don't answer" 3,4%

    REMEMBER THIS IS A GALLOP, AND NOT THE ACTUAL RESULTS OF GREECE ELECTIONS 2012!

    I will post the first approximate result on a seperate thread at about 19:00, the programmed time that the first approximate result will be available.
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    Greece is not the only place where elections are taking place,what is worse,Greece is not the only place where a Fascist party has an opportunity to get into the parliament. I hope the voters in Greece will understand what the Golden Dawn stands for,and how dangerous they are.
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    Sadly polls tend to grossly underestimate the support of extreme right parties because of the stigma, so I won't be surprised if goldenshower will actually pull 8% or even more in the end... let's hope I'm shown wrong...
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    Guess I wasn't...
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    How much did they get? How did the KKE pass?
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    Goldenshower 8%, KKE only 1.5% more...
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    You can view all of the result on the thread I created here.
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    OK, this is just funny. Golden Dawn members,right before the interview of Michaloliakos,their leader, required the journalists in the room to stand up to honor Michaloliakos.
    + YouTube Video
    ERROR: If you can see this, then YouTube is down or you don't have Flash installed.

    FUCK YOU GOLDEN FART!
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    Unnamed group claims responsibility for arson attacks against right/extreme right parties, as greek elections get underway

    Sunday, May 6, 2012

    Against electoral illusions, against the assigning of our lives to professional politicians-employees of the domestic and international financial elites, against the call for generalised social consensus toward some national unity and social canibalism, against everything destroying our lives we attacked, on May 3d, the local office of DI.SI [neoliberal right-wing party --trans.] in the [Athens neighbourhood of] Kesariani, the local office of Nea Dimokratia [New Democracy, the main right-wing party] in the neighbourhoods of Nikea-Rentis, and the office of the nationalist cypriot student organisation that supports the [Neo-Nazis of] Golden Dawn in the neighbourhood of Ampelokipi.
    Against the false dilemmas of a bourgeois democracy that is crumbling, the only question is: are we going to sustain a system of subjection, repression and*degradation, or are we going to fight with all our strength for freedom.
    The attack is dedicated to all those who have been fighting in the streets for the past 2,5 year and to those arrested on February 12th.
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    Greece is not the only place where elections are taking place,what is worse,Greece is not the only place where a Fascist party has an opportunity to get into the parliament. I hope the voters in Greece will understand what the Golden Dawn stands for,and how dangerous they are.
    That is definately true...sad to say.

    The reason why European revolutionaries are focussing on Greece is because Greece has become pivotal in the EU question. The results in Greece may very well determine the economic and political future of the EU more so than anything else.

    Greece leaving the EU or defaulting on its "obligtions" to the EU will create a huge economic and political crisis. One which will hold deep reprecussions for the Euro zone. Nobody knows yet how that will play out but it would be a huge "fuck you" to the established political system and a huge failure of a whole lot of current political governments in the eyes of the European electorat.
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    Leading Greek party fails to form government

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe...649316327.html
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    Will syriza now try to form a leftist front?

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