KKE assisting the police and blocking the Parliament? (fka newswire II)

[thälmann]

This thread is now offically intended for discussion on the actions of KKE today. -- Sentinel

http://www.livestream.com/syntagmasquare
right now there are heavy clashes between kke and anarchists, other leftists whatever...

[jmlima]

Courtesy of the Guardian:

Just back from the barricades where fierce hand-to-hand fighting has broken out between self-styled black-clad anarchists and communist party unionists. Scores are believed to have been injured in the clashes which erupted in front of the posh Grande Bretagne hotel. For hours an eerie calm has prevailed as tens of thousands have protested outside the parliament many representing unions ranging from garbage collectors to transport workers, taxi drivers and seamen - just some of the sectors who say they are being "picked out and punished" by the austerity measures dictated under the terms of Greece's €110bn EU/IMF bailout.
Demonstrators thronging Syntagma Square are forced to pick their way through the detritus of destroyed bus stops, shop windows, smashed marble and burned rubbish that lines the streets in the wake of the clashes that erupted late yesterday. Almost to a man protesters say that the violence is the work of undercover policemen who start throwing petrol bombs and rocks at police so that the authorities have an excuse to strike back with tear gas and disperse the crowds. But these latest clashes highlight the extreme tensions caused by the economic crisis in a country that really does feel as if it is on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

Communists and Anarchists fighting while their opponents laugh, who would have guessed eh? The left really needs to get a grip and unite.

[thälmann]

i have no great sympathy for anarchists is general, but what the kke is doing, and especially today( blocking the parliament for militants who want to attack it), is so stupid that i can understand those who attacked them. by the way the first attack came from the "we wont pay " movement.

[PhoenixAsh]

Holy flying FUCK....you do NOT block parliament. YOU fucking BURN parliament. What the fuck is so difficult to understand about this concept??? What the hell is PAME thinking....fucking bunch of reactionary fuckers.

Ok here is how I understand the situation. This morning two of my firends (ML) joined the PAME demonstration when the marched to the square. Pame almost surrounded parliament. And it looked promissing because there were very few cops. PAME group was armed with sticks and stuff. Then they simply stopped. They did fuck all. If they had moved on parliament it would have been theirs for the taking. Instead they did fuck all. Another friend of mine is with an anarchist group. When they tried to move into the square they were pushed back and beaten by PAME. PAME was protecting the fucking parliament. Severe clashes broke out. These three friends know each other and currently after seeing what happened and how the fucking reactionaries protected the fuckig cops when they arrived they simply moved from the PAME demo and joined the other side. One of them is slightly hurt. But is ok.

I will not repeat what my ML friends said exactly about PAME or the KKE....but suffices to say words like counterrevolutionary, reactionary traitors were on the friendly side of the discourse. My anarchist friend got hurt too.

edit:
I just read that the PAME demonstrators have handed people over to the police. THOSE FUCKING COLLABORATING FUCKS! FUCKING TRAITOROUS SCUM.

[Sasha]

They dont want the comfy seats of power burned they hope to plant their state-capitalist arses on.

15.49 Most demonstrators now pushed out of the square and into the side streets. People are still trying to get back into the square but the riot police and the Stalinists are blocking access.
15.30 At least 20 demonstrators have been injured by the clashes. The Stalinists have handed demonstrators to the police. At least two Stalinists have been burnt by molotovs. Clashes continue at Mitropoleos Street.
15.38 Police have now taken all of the lower part of the Syntagma Square and the Stalinists have the upper part.
15.27 Full-on police attack to clear Syntagma. Large crowd pushed down Ermou street.
15.18 Incredible scenes – generalised violence across much of Syntagma. More molotovs and stones thrown at the Stalinists crowd.
15.15 Police now try to enter the square from Stadiou and to trap the anarchists.
14.59 The clashes are escalating. Molotov thrown into Stalinist crowd.
14.52 Clashes continue as protestors try and reach the parliament. The clashes are severe, flares shot straight into the crowd.
14.47 Generalised clashes between hundreds of anarchists and Stalinists in Syntagma. Stones, bottles and flares are thrown. Protestors trying to break through PAME lines to reach the parliament.
14.44 A huge anarchist block now attacking Stalinist lines. They are face to face* by the Great Britain Hotel in Syntagma. Police firing teargas.
13.14 Once again the stalinist trade union, PAME, has lined up before the police (!) not allowing people to get anywhere close to them, or to parliament.

From occupied london....
fuck the kke and the horse they rode in on.

[Ravachol]

They dont want the comfy seats of power burned they hope to plant their state-capitalist arses on.

From occupied london....
fuck the kke and the horse they rode in on.

Seems like some good old 'Look at how reasonable an alternative we are to this angry proletarian horde!' trick, taking up the guise of would-be policemen. Talking about the left-wing of Capital Fuck that bullshit.

16.30 GMT+2 Earlier in Rethymnon, on Crete Island, members of KNE threatened protesters with sticks, opposite the city hall.

In Mytilini, on Lesvos Island, the assembly of the occupied Periphery decided to end the occupation with an evening demo, in about one hour when strikers will march in the city streets.

16.20 GMT+2 Thousands of members of PAME are in front of the parliament. Police pulled back from the lower parts of Syntagma; smaller groups of anti-authoritarians, base unions and ultra left try to enter the square from the lower side; most union demonstrators still blocked in the side streets.

The ministry of Finance in Mitropoleos Street is under occupation from strikers.

16.10 GMT+2 Extensive use of tear gas now in Syntagma. Stalinists attacked demonstrators who tried to take the square.

15.45 GMT+2 There are still demonstrators in Amalias Street, in front of the parliament, as well as in Fillelinon and Mitropoleos streets. The square is evacuated and encircled by cops, though. The Stalinists are still blocking access.

It must be clear that PAME and KNE are not communists. They are Stalinist snitches and ruffians who work for the regime. Today, they have handed more demonstrators to the police —as they have done in numerous cases in the past, i.e. back in 1998.

15.30 GMT+2 Full-on police attack to clear Syntagma. Large crowd pushed down Ermou Street.

A coordinated police raid along Pesmazoglou and Stadiou streets.

15.25 GMT+2 Clashes between anarchists and Stalinists mainly in Filellinon and Voukourestiou streets.

Generalized violence across much of Syntagma. More Molotovs and stones thrown at the Stalinist crowd. Earlier police attempted to enter the square from Stadiou and to trap anarchists.

15.20 GMT+2 Severe injured protesters (at least 20) are constantly being transferred to the medical centre of Syntagma Square. PAME/ΚΝΕ members seem to have direct contact with police officers and handed at least one (most probably anarchist) protester to the police. They also attacked insurrectionist demonstrators. Now protesters counterattack the cops and the scumbags of PAME/ΚΝΕ.

[PhoenixAsh]

PAME has proven according to their own slogan that they are indeed with capital and not with the workers. KKE members have some explaining to do here....

[thälmann]

youre right but thats not the first time. its kke s politics since the 50s....

[PhoenixAsh]

The Trotskyists helped the Anarchists and blocked attacks by the riot cops. I like this noted for everybody. Seeing as to the ongoing debates between Stalinists and Trotskyists and the continuous attacks on Trotskyists for being somehow counter revolutionary. This has now once and for all disproven.

[finnoafrican]

Please don't make Spain 1936 again, comrade against comrade, really?

[Kornilios Sunshine]

Seems like some good old 'Look at how reasonable an alternative we are to this angry proletarian horde!' trick, taking up the guise of would-be policemen. Talking about the left-wing of Capital Fuck that bullshit.

What the fucking fuck?Stalinist=Not Communist?Are you serious?

[Kornilios Sunshine]

i have no great sympathy for anarchists is general, but what the kke is doing, and especially today( blocking the parliament for militants who want to attack it), is so stupid that i can understand those who attacked them. by the way the first attack came from the "we wont pay " movement.

Believe me,they don't want to attack the parliament they want to prevent workers from demonstrating.Oh,and no one can attack it.There is an enclosure around the parliament.

[Thirsty Crow]

What the fucking fuck?Stalinist=Not Communist?Are you serious?

How about some response to the fact that union members associated with KKE directly cooperated with cops in what was an effective defense of the parliament which will, undoubtedly, pass laws which will bring on yet more severe austerity upon the workers', the youth and pensioners in Greece? What would you say about that, or do you think that you don't have a right to say anything in matters of official policy in your party, since you're not part of the leadership?

[Kornilios Sunshine]

How about some response to the fact that union members associated with KKE directly cooperated with cops in what was an effective defense of the parliament which will, undoubtedly, pass laws which will bring on yet more severe austerity upon the workers', the youth and pensioners in Greece? What would you say about that, or do you think that you don't have a right to say anything in matters of official policy in your party, since you're not part of the leadership?

I am telling you it is a lie.Also, what about the fact that today 30 people (I guess anarchists) were beating up one member of PAME?And you are answering to another topic,I voiced my opposition against the opinion Stalinism = Not communism.And you are responding to another point but not to that.

[thälmann]

Believe me,they don't want to attack the parliament they want to prevent workers from demonstrating.Oh,and no one can attack it.There is an enclosure around the parliament.

are you serious about that ? and when violence against the police prevent communist workers from demonstrating, somebody should ask what kind of communists they are.

communists should be at the front, and not stop the masses from attacking the state you want to smash...if youre a communist.

what was the plan of the peaceful crowd today? looking while the enemy inside the parliament is destroying the live of the greeks? and then going home. a few hundred thousand peacefully on the street means nothing if you are not ready to act.

when the kke dont want anarchists to be violent in that unorganised way, they have to be an alternative in that area. why dont they occupy the parliament for example, they are enough people.

[Thirsty Crow]

I am telling you it is a lie.Also, what about the fact that today 30 people (I guess anarchists) were beating up one member of PAME?

I don't give a fuck what are you telling me. You could be telling me as well that magic flying unicorns are going to stop the austerity from being pushed through the parliament.
What is pretty obvious from this is that physical action was deliberately prevented, and there is no indication whatsoever that these militants were trying to undermine workers' demos. They were trying, it seems, to physically undermine the "democratic" process in the Greek parliament.

And what about that fact? Cop collaborators, especially in such situations, deserve nothing better than a foot down their throats.

[PhoenixAsh]

Believe me,they don't want to attack the parliament they want to prevent workers from demonstrating.Oh,and no one can attack it.There is an enclosure around the parliament.

Well...If PAME/KKE had not been counterrevolutionary and reactionary and had not collaborated with the cops and a large scale...maybe we would have been able to destroy the enclosures and taken parliament.

Or is it the case that KKE members see a fence as a unsurmountable hurdle to revolution?

WTF dude...after what they did today I am surprised you haven't burned your memebrship card in furious anger over the betrayal of the people and your instrumental role in breaking the strike and demonstrations.

I am sure the burgeoisie government will give your party a huge big medal. How many did you party leadership get paid for this brutal and most obvious reactionary betrayal and sell out?

[Kornilios Sunshine]

are you serious about that ? and when violence against the police prevent communist workers from demonstrating, somebody should ask what kind of communists they are.

communists should be at the front, and not stop the masses from attacking the state you want to smash...if youre a communist.

what was the plan of the peaceful crowd today? looking while the enemy inside the parliament is destroying the live of the greeks? and then going home. a few hundred thousand peacefully on the street means nothing if you are not ready to act.

when the kke dont want anarchists to be violent in that unorganised way, they have to be an alternative in that area. why dont they occupy the parliament for example, they are enough people.

Well,thats what they tried to do today.Actually,the encirclement of the parliament.Αlso, by attacking the state you will get nothing.By that I don't mean that there will be revolution with no force.The thing is that if people demostrate all the time,without riots,then something might happen.

[PhoenixAsh]

I am telling you it is a lie.Also, what about the fact that today 30 people (I guess anarchists) were beating up one member of PAME?And you are answering to another topic,I voiced my opposition against the opinion Stalinism = Not communism.And you are responding to another point but not to that.

TWO OF MY ML FRIENDS WERE WITH THE PAME DEMO.

They saw what happened. PAME/KKE groups attacked the Anarchists. They acted like cops. They let cops pass through their lines in order to get to militants. They handed over demonstrators to the cops.

So do not try your: lies, lies...all lies line here.

We know exactly what happened.

And yes...this means that PAME/KKE are not communists. They are counter revolutionary and reactionary henchmen of the burgeoisie.

[Kornilios Sunshine]

Well...If PAME/KKE had not been counterrevolutionary and reactionary and had not collaborated with the cops and a large scale...maybe we would have been able to destroy the enclosures and taken parliament.

Or is it the case that KKE members see a fence as a unsurmountable hurdle to revolution?

WTF dude...after what they did today I am surprised you haven't burned your memebrship card in furious anger over the betrayal of the people and your instrumental role in breaking the strike and demonstrations.

I am sure the burgeoisie government will give your party a huge big medal. How many did you party leadership get paid for this brutal and most obvious reactionary betrayal and sell out?

1.I am not even in KKE.I put it in my organisation because it is the party I want to vote when I get 18.
2.They got paid millions!Haha fuckers we are richies,you are poor.I am joking.
3.What are you talking about?The anarchists were the first that started the riots.They police came after like 30 minutes or so.I also don't give a shit about lies like cop collaboration and others.