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well if its true what is written up there, that pame/kke helped the cops and handed over demonstrators to them i really understand them.
because its not importent, what is importent though is that pame/kke seem to be traitours at the moment, actually protects(and helping them) cops and goverment.
if that is all true and i be a member of either organisation i'd drop out right away.
All i want is a Marxist Hunk.
It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
you sound so much like a liberal right now
All i want is a Marxist Hunk.
It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
Are you fucking serious????? Are you for fucking real????
Today there was a huge chance of taking parliament of taking charge. And the KKE/PAME reactionaries prevented it.
Fuck that. Fuck your arguments here.
It is obvious to EVRYFUCKING BODY in Europe that the only thing things will happen and things will change is if you physically overthrow your government.
THIS IS COMMUNIST THEORY. THIS IS THE BASIS.
Yeah whatever you say.I won't give a fuck about the BS stated in this thread.Sometimes, it is pointless to argue with some anarchists.you sound so much like a liberal right now
WORKERS OF THE WORLD,UNITE!
LONG LIVE THE CUBAN REVOLUTION!
omg you are very right...hindsight 20/20 for president
When Anarchists tried to enter the square they were immmediately attacked by PAME/KKE....and pushed back. THAT is why they attacked back.
There were indeed NO cops. And PAME/KKE could have taken parliament easilly and physically prevent a vote today.
But instead they protected parliament. They were not attacked by Anarchists and militants. They were attacking. They refused them entrance in the square.
And yes they collaborated with the cops. First off all they let the police pass through their lines. Second of all they coordinated attacks with the cops. THird of all they handed over people to the cops.
Now...what you must know that I had friends in the PAME/KKE demo and friends in the Anarchist group who first tried to enter the square this morning.
So pretty much they all agree PAME/KKE started this.
And if I were you...I would not vote for KKE even if they paid you. find a real revolutionary group. INstead of counter revolutionary traitors.
Calm down, comrade. Don't you see s/he is a kid and does not really know much about the situation (and don't confuse this with ageism please; it's painfully obvious that very young people can be very unexperienced and naive)?
Let's wait for FSL (a KKE member) and AttackGr.
FKA LinksRadikal
“The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day by day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties – this possibility is now for the first time here, but it is here.” Friedrich Engels
"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
"Your life is survived by your deeds" - Steve von Till
And people wonder why RAAN wanted to breed a culture of anti-leninism...
The KKE are, and always have been collaborators and anti-working class. They have literally killed anarchists before. This was very possibly a turning point in the greek rebellion, a turn for the worse, as KKE is now bargaining with the state to play the mediating role. Just like communist/left parties/unions have done for the past 50 years.
Put capitalism in a bag of rice.
Yeah you are right. Thanks.
Wow wow wow, KKE just proved themselves to be reactionary fascists, defenders of the state and status quo.
Yeah I am a kid I need a smart genious anarchist to tell me what really happened.And if you mark people's opinion and taking into account they are young,then I think this makes you kind of an idiot.
iam not an anarchist, and it has nothing to do with it.
have you ever read something from marx, lenin, stalin and so on? or learn about the revolutions of the past? do that before you will go into such useless socialdemocratic movement.
to the other ones: dont give lenin or stalin the blame for this, they dont deserve that, whatever somebody might think of them.
You're claiming that KKE didn't collaborate, but then at the same time saying people shouldn't be attacking the state. It doesn't make you look very coherent.
You're saying people shouldn't riot and shouldn't fight the state, and now it is being reported that the party you support acted on the ideas you support, they prevented people from rioting and fighting the state.
If your ideas are in line with the ideas of KKE, then it seems to me that the supposed actions of the KKE make sense, given an ideology of "no riots, no militant confrontation with the state".
Put capitalism in a bag of rice.
Shout all you want bro but the facts speak for themselves. I'm not even having a sectarian stab at any ideology per se (I don't care for Trotskyism either for that matter) but the concrete behavior of PAME and KKE/KNE militants on the second day of the strike, as relayed per the alternative media, is counter-revolutionary. Blocking the parliament from protesters, handing over protesters to the cops and threatening other protesters with violence if they come closer shows they effectively behave as an extension of the police. I'm not even gonna turn this into a debate about whether this behavior flows naturally from the attempts to capture state power and/or form a new state apparatus inherent to authoritarian Marxism (it does). This behavior is scandalous and counter-revolutionary and should be condemned by everyone who considers him/herself to be on the revolutionary left.What the fucking fuck?Stalinist=Not Communist?Are you serious?
All you come up with is "It is a lie", I'm sorry but I'm inclined to believe multiple independent news sources over 1 party member.
"Of Man's first disobedience, and the fruit
Of that forbidden tree..."
- John Milton -
"The place of the worst barbarism is that modern forest that makes use of us, this forest of chimneys and bayonets, machines and weapons, of strange inanimate beasts that feed on human flesh"
- Amadeo Bordiga
Well that killed any last strand of interest I ever had in ML. Congrats to the KKE for acting like agents of the State.
And they have the nerve calling themselves marxist-leninists?
I really dont remember seeing a scene in oktober in which armed bolschevics protected the winterpallace nor one where they handed russians over to the tsarist police. Must have been edited out later... damned revisionists...
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MESW7O43Axc
PA.ME. on the upper side of the screen.
Disgraceful day.
Oh, unrelated to the arguement,a 53 year old demonstator (from PAME) died from a heart attack while he was demonstrating.
You mean while pummeling the rest of the left and acting like an agent of the State?
And if he was anarchist,while he was destroying a demonstration?If that's the way then most of the syndicalists in Athens,are "reactionary".
