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God stalinists, nobody fucking cares. If you guys are too stupid to realise that something they did was actually did was fucked up for the wrong reasons, than I don't see how you should be involved in any actual political situation where the risks are taken by the working class, my familly included. THE USSR WASNT SOCIALIST. GET OVER IT.
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"[I]t’s hard to keep potent historical truths bottled up forever. New data repositories are uncovered. New, less ideological, generations of historians grow up. In the late 1980s and before, Ann Druyan and I would routinely smuggle copies of Trotsky’s History of the Russian Revolution into the USSR—so our colleagues could know a little about their own political beginnings.”
--Carl Sagan
Most definitely, I just hate exaggeration. To me it's close to lying so I get kinda opositional.
Society does not consist of individuals but expresses the sum of interrelations, the relations within which these individuals stand. ~ Karl Marx
formerly Triceramarx
Why did the Trotskyites come in here to start an argument, we were saying that the numbers were exaggerated which most here agree with. Now it's turned into a tendency war, get fucking real.
I was going to come in here and say a simple "some of it." But it looks like, at this point, that would be useless.
Wait... from your OP:
You didn't think the people who fly the hammer and sickle would take that as an insult?
>When I see myself in other people I hate it!
Why does this tell me more about rightists than... anything.
Save a species, have ginger babies!
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth." ~Albert Einstein
>Greentexts in Revleft, as in 4chan
>Expects users to take him seriously
Obvious idiot is obvious.
Whether or not the statistics are exaggerated doesn't change the fact that Stalin had thousands, even millions killed for simply disagreeing with him. That's bad any way you slice it. And just saying "well it's better than under the Tsars" is just stupid and meaningless.
Wrong. There is no government in communism, the USSR wasn't communist.
That may be true but it does not explain much if anything and surely you must realise that much more than this is required and necessary. The same goes for anyone that would happily declare the fSU as 'state capitalist'. Yeah? So what?
Maybe you don't wont to bother with a 'troll' or just can't be arsed generally but why then bother to make any comment at all (rhetorical)?
Down with the Mao Tse-tung/Pepsi Cola/Billy Graham axis!
i aint no trot
You know what. i think it would be fun to not ban trolls for a while. spice things up a bit. ya dig?
FKA Vacant
"snook up behind him and took his koran, he said sumthin about burnin the koran. i was like DUDE YOU HAVE NO KORAN and ran off." - Jacob Isom, Amarillo Resident.
Because his whole argument was "The state takes mah money n gives it to tha poor" which is easily destroyed by 4 words. Communism-has-no-state.
Unless I'm missing the point, why didn't you explain it.
I can't believe it is necessary to answer your question, it's a sad state of affairs indeed. I have replied to the OP as you may have read or not read already. I don't think it is for me or anyone else to reply to every single comment, question etc There are many, many people on this forum and it is up to everyone to join in the discussions. That is why. In a brief comment I tried to address some of what (s)he was saying. All I am saying is answers like it isn't communism cos there was a government isn't particularly helpful. It doesn't really explain anything and I don't think it was really what the OP was getting at. And that is not what the OP said either. All you're doing is cheap ridicule. Wasting your own time and everyone else's.
Down with the Mao Tse-tung/Pepsi Cola/Billy Graham axis!
I'm all for bashing Stalin and the FSU but bashing communism as a whole takes it WAY too far, especially if you don't even know what communism is.
No. I asked him to explain Communism, he was wrong, I called him out. Problem? If he was intellectually honest he would go back to a book and read about what it really is. I'm not prepared to sit here and type a god damn book about what communism is, that's what we got Marx for.
> walks into this 70+ post thread
> walk out
"The capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them" - Lenin
"The modern proletarian class doesn't carry out its struggle according to a plan set out in some book or theory; the modern workers' struggle is a part of history, a part of social progress, and in the middle of history, in the middle of progress, in the middle of the fight, we learn how we must fight..." - Rosa Luxemburg
Cliche quotes, but sums up my revolutionary beliefs. Fuck your long boring reformist theories and fuck waiting for a revolution, I'm gonna buy me some land and start a self-sufficient Commune, and it's gonna kick ass, and it's gonna have cute as fuck rabbits, and chickens, and solar panels, and black jack, and all of you are fucking invited.
Richer under capitalism? Do you not see what Russia has become since the fall of communism? All you have today, thanks to a new and glorious capitalistic Russia: gangsters, oligarchs and mass poverty for the rest. Are you related to the Romanovs and living in Paris?
"If ever a pen was a weapon, it was the pen which wrote Lenin's 1917 texts."
As if poverty, the mafia and oligarchs didn't exist in the USSR...
It's really simple what happened. The citizens were poor under the USSR, and they didn't magically get richer with the collapse of their economy. What Russia is experiencing now is as close to pure capitalism as I've ever seen, and that's not a good thing. Both extremes are fucked.
What I'm saying is, if Russia had developed into a capitalistic society instead of becoming the USSR, by now capitalism would have been regulated to sane levels and the country would have been prosperous.
It's not rocket science.
This troll still here lol?
Also i assume you've never been (and/or LIVED IN) to Russia / that you don't speak Russian.
Am i correct?
No,that's bullshit based on NOTHING.
Yes,in 1989 the USSR was still there...on paper at least.Lol.
No, you aren't correct. Take your asinine assumptions to some other thread. I'm not a neo-nazi, either. Also, do you even know what the fuck a troll is? Because it looks to me like you're using it as a catch-all for "someone I don't agree with".
Okay, we've established that you're unable to have a single coherent thought. I suppose you think it was communism that brought the west prosperity.
