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    Can anyone debuk the myth that the Soviet Communist Party Leaders were all Super Rich/Wealthy is this just Right Wing Propaganda ?
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    Brezhnev - the top dog in the USSR - could have had theoretically anything he wanted. One of the most corrupt leaders during the existence of Soviet Union.

    His flat:





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    Looks like ordinary workers flat. Maybe too clean.
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    Can anyone debuk the myth that the Soviet Communist Party Leaders were all Super Rich/Wealthy is this just Right Wing Propaganda ?
    I haven't really heard any right wingers badmouth the Soviet Union that way. Most of them don't even have the historical knowledge to assert such a thing.
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    Brezhnev had passion for cars, and amassed a personal collection of luxury western cars, including a Rolls Royce that he managed to smash due to his reckless driving - you can actually see it at the Riga Motormuseum.


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    It seems that ol' Leonid even had LCD TVs back in the 70s(2nd pic).
    Anyway,yeah,he was quite decadent.
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    George Orwell was a snake.
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    It seems that ol' Leonid even had LCD TVs back in the 70s(2nd pic).
    Anyway,yeah,he was quite decadent.
    The flat is obviously renovated, or did you think Leonid Ilyich was entombed in there?
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    George Orwell was a snake.
    A talented snake none the less.
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    Brezhnev had passion for cars, and amassed a personal collection of luxury western cars, including a Rolls Royce that he managed to smash due to his reckless driving - you can actually see it at the Riga Motormuseum.


    Leonid looks as drunk there as he probably was when he smashed the car.
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    Possetions aren't the issue... What should be considered to answer his question is a person's relation to the means of production. For example, how alieniated was the average worker related to the products of his labor? From what I gather from some people I asked who lived in Russia during the U.S.S.R. it wasn't as unfair a life as it is for many people in the U.S. for example, they had free healthcare and education. That doesn't mean it's socialist though, their comfort came at the expense of everybody who died during their industrialisation during the 30's.
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    George Orwell was a snake.
    How so?
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    He made fun of leninists
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    In 1949 Orwell was approached by a friend, Celia Kirwan, who had just started working for a Foreign Office unit, the Information Research Department, which had been set up by the Labour government to publish pro-democratic and anti-communist propaganda. He gave her a list of 37 writers and artists he considered to be unsuitable as IRD authors because of their pro-communist leanings. The list, not published until 2003, consists mainly of journalists (among them the editor of the New Statesman, Kingsley Martin) but also includes the actors Michael Redgrave and Charlie Chaplin. Orwell's motives for handing over the list are unclear, but the most likely explanantion is the simplest: that he was helping out a friend in a cause - anti-Stalinism - that both supported. There is no indication that Orwell ever abandoned the democratic socialism that he consistently promoted in his later writings - or that he believed the writers he named should be suppressed. Orwell's list was also accurate: the people on it had all at one time or another made pro-Soviet or pro-communist public pronouncements.

    Source: http://www.george-orwell.org/l_biography.html

    Make of it what you will. Though I've gotta say: accusing Charlie Chaplin of being a stalinist? Seriously?

    Isaac Deutscher was also on the list, btw...
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    There was banks, millionaires (see Soviet Millionaires by Reg Bishop), production for profit and surplus value extracted from workers throughout the history of the Soviet Union. It was essentially private capitalist in all but name. (see http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/p...alist-analysis)
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