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Yeah, it was a toss up between quoting that or "Love me I'm a liberal"
But, is the situation in Russia seriously that bad?
Perhapse I should have researched about it.. but that takes all the fun out of arguing on the internet.
For those of us who are.. *ahem*.. uneducated on the subject, anyone got links?
EDIT: youtubed "anti-fascist attitude" - I retract my earlier comments
Yeah absolutely. Like I said, in the UK or the US, "fascists" are generally bunch of nerds who dabble in cosplay. In Russia, they run pretty rampant and violence from them is a serious problem.
I'm on some sickle-hammer shit
Collective Bruce Banner shit
FKA: #FF0000, AKA Mistake Not My Current State Of Joshing Gentle Peevishness For The Awesome And Terrible Majesty Of The Towering Seas Of Ire That Are Themselves The Milquetoast Shallows Fringing My Vast Oceans Of Wrath
They're not just led astray by a sickening ideology, at least that's not the case in Russia (which is the tangential topic of this thread): as FF0000 notes, they're people who have no problem with murder, torture and assassination. Every person who declares himself an anti-fascist, not to speak of the minorities and migrants, is a potential target. And I can hardly see how this neat logic of "don't step down to their level" applies in such a situation. So I wouldn't call that position a reformist or a liberal one - but counter-intuitive and seriously misplaced with respect to the goals which revolutionary socialists (and reformists!) promote, one of them being the freedom of migrants to live their lives undisturbed (and live at all).
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“The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day by day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties – this possibility is now for the first time here, but it is here.” Friedrich Engels
"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
"Your life is survived by your deeds" - Steve von Till
Yeah, now I understand the situation clearly
I think people became so anti-red after the USSR, that far too many people turned to fascism, and far too many of them are violent nutbags.
Also reccomend everyone watches Antifascist Attitude, the full video is on Google Video, only 45 minutes and a fantastic film.
[FONT=Trebuchet MS] Anti-Currency[/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]"I'm not a fascist, I'm a priest. Fascists dress in black and go around telling people what to do, whereas...priests..."
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lol...fascists and their desire to get "blown up" to larger than life proportions...good to see that this guy got his wish;now everyone can see all his pieces!
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I love you guys, both for the puns and the vehement anti-fascism.
The white supremacists are not led astray by "sickening" idealogies or any of that shit, they are racist sadists that enjoy violence. If we don't fight them they will murder us and they have murdered plenty already. My only regret is that I didn't put more of them in the hospitals and I've got a plenty of them in Moscow.
White supremacists are still people - people who we can show the light of communism. Hell, there are a handful of ex-fascists on this very website. No one is born a fascists or a communist or a liberal - these thoughts arise in people due to certain conditions in a society, be they economic, cultural or social. Yes, they are racist sadists - but they weren't born with that trait in them. It arose due to the conditions of society .
Another reflexion:
Russian grenades killing fascists since 1941.
A la izquierda de lo posible
If this had been just a random Stormfront member or even a high profile speaker like David Duke I would agree with you. But from everything I have read it seems like Aleksey Korshunov was a very violent man, if him dieing means a immigrant family is left unscathed than I think it is good thing.
What an explosive situation. I am sure glad this situation didn't blow the top off the Far Right. This was a rather forceful show of a bright and sudden ending.
Doesn't change the fact that they ARE racist sadists, and that their death saves others.
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I saw a news documentary a couple of years back on racism and Neonazism in modern Russia; apparently it's so bad that if you're a visible minority, not only is it guaranteed that you'll get beaten up or mugged on a regular basis, you have a very high chance of being murdered.
So no, I don't feel sorry for that Nazi piece of shit. And neither should anyone, on the contrary.
Those who do not move, do not notice their chains" - Rosa Luxemburg
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I didn't say otherwise. I was simply stating that fascists aren't born fascists, as Iron Felix seemed to be implying.
Must not laugh..Must not laugh...Disrespectful to the dead..Must not laugh.
PFFFFFTTT!!
"I have no country to fight for. My country is the Earth. I am a citizen of the world." - Eugene Debs
yep, same feelings here. I actually feel quite angry after reading such a liberal pile of shite about respecting the dead and all that. Fuck them, I hope they rot in hell if there is any and I also hope there is many more of them going the same way. I would gladly shit on the grave of that fucking piece of filth.
Ha ha ha!
As Elmer Fudd said "Good widdance to bad wubbish!"
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The situation in Russia is pretty fucking serious. It is at a point where people simply are not save anymore.
You def. can't wear any leftist symbols outside large gatherings. And even then you are taking a huge chance.
AFA activists in Russia need to go to great lengths to hide their identities, both online and in the real world. If they think you are an activist then you are sure to get targetted.
Two "friends" of mine got attacked by members of the Slaviyansky Sayuz (and yes...that spells SS...and that is not coincidence) during the day, when they were minding their own bussiness. They were seen earlier leaving a left wing underground club. They both eneded up in hospital. Another got stabbed after leaving a rally....when he was on the bus. Also during day time.
That however is not all. The far right is growing rapidly. And it is extremely militant and active. They have websites, news sites which are influencing the mainstream media, they have television time, prominent members of nazi groups or nazi sympathisers are allowed to become professors or directors of educational facilities (like Alexandr Dukin) and are asked often and repeatedly as commentators in the mainstream media. They have a huge influence in police and military. And on the government itself.
The Russian government is instrumental in the rise of ultra nationalism and neo-nazi and fascist groups. Not only does it continue to extend support to moderate noationalist groups...making the ethnic argument a mainstream opinion.
They also started many youth groups after the democratic movements in the Ukrain and Georgia in order to prevent such reform demands taking hold in Russia. These groups are often based on the idea to prevent foreign influence on Russia and to defend society against that influence...and with that they mean democracy, cultural values etc.
Well...it does not take a genius to see that that is bordering on Hitler Jugend institutions run by the government. In fact...there is only a very fine line between the government youth groups and neo-nazi groups. And that provides a virtile recruitment ground for the extreme right.
Thats pretty funny
