Should special forces be abolished?

[Kornilios Sunshine]

Okay this question is making me really busy.Is there any other reason expect

Racist slogans shouted by special forces soldiers'.
Really hard training and oppresion while on service.
Risk of life because of dangerous missions.


for special forces to be removed?I cannot see though why do they still keep them.

I will take as an examples Greek Special Forces,OYK.One of their missions was to go on 2 tiny islands called Imia and guard them from the Turks.I've also heard they put a Greek flag onto one of the islands.The worst is they have marches and shout slogans disgusting about Turks and Albanians.

Should they be kept?Also,what is your opinion on foreign special forces?

[ВАЛТЕР]

Special Operations forces are a necessity for any military. If you have ever read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. He specifically values spies and other special units above even the massive formations.

If the revolution was to start tomorrow, we would need specialized shock units capable of carrying out sabotages and diversions within the ranks of the bourgeoisie.

The fact that those Spec Ops soldiers did that doesn't mean that they have to do that. Special Operations units are trained and can be taught any ideology, just like any soldier can. With a good commissar they can easily be strong believers in the revolution.

[EvilRedGuy]

Don't ask us what you think. You already know it, unless you are new here of course. Unless we are shitty Revleft-users who deserve to get banned (phobes, racist/raicalist, sexist, etc.) then you already know the answer. You might find many of those here though especially speciesists.

[hatzel]

Don't ask us what you think.

This is the learning forum. As such, the OP may wish to learn, by asking questions like this:

what is your opinion on foreign special forces?

You already know it, unless you are new here of course.

But for some reason he doesn't know, which is why he's asking.

Unless we are shitty Revleft-users who deserve to get banned (phobes, racist/raicalist, sexist, etc.) then you already know the answer. You might find many of those here though especially speciesists.

The learning forum isn't the place for random trollish rants, didn't you hear? None of this is relevant.

EDIT: oh yeah, @OP - I'd say yes, they should. For much the same reasons as other military units should be abolished; I'd sooner advocate a post-military weapons system.

[Geiseric]

Red Army in the civil war used partisans, partisans are basically special forces. as long as the armed forces are imbued with a revolutionary spirit, and reactionaries are kicked out (unless we REALLLYY need them, which we won't) we should have an effective force in fighting the counter revolution. Has to be disciplined and manueverable, a guerilla war situation won't work in America at least since most people live in cities/suburbs. However unless the military turns to pro revolution, it won't last too long.

[tir1944]

Red Army in the civil war used partisans, partisans are basically special forces

Lol no.They were ordinary workers and peasants who hid into the woods and led a guerilla warfare.They barely had any military training.

Also yeah,we should strive for Special Forces of capitalist-state Armies to be abolished,because these guys are creme de la creme of the state's armed system of opression.

[Kornilios Sunshine]

Don't ask us what you think. You already know it, unless you are new here of course. Unless we are shitty Revleft-users who deserve to get banned (phobes, racist/raicalist, sexist, etc.) then you already know the answer. You might find many of those here though especially speciesists.

In this particular question,I might get an answer not related to racism.Oh,and if I already knew the answer,I wouldn't ask.

[Geiseric]

Lol no.They were ordinary workers and peasants who hid into the woods and led a guerilla warfare.They barely had any military training.

Also yeah,we should strive for Special Forces of capitalist-state Armies to be abolished,because these guys are creme de la creme of the state's armed system of opression.

The Red Army went away from guerilla warfare since guerilla warfare is a peasents war, not a proletarian war. they had an actually organised army since the red guard organisation wasn't too effective. Since they had an actual army, they had shock troops, special forces, cavillry, everything the whites had. Workers were part of the army organisation. You must be thinking of the Black Army. All guerilla movements come from peasent areas. the kronstadt sailors were more or less "special forces," at least at that point. Anyways, you should read Trotsky's military writings, he knew a thing or two about how the red army worked.

[thefinalmarch]

Special forces are necessarily part of the state apparatus of the bourgeoisie -- they are nothing but agents of the bourgeoisie who serve only to ensure bourgeois interests here and abroad. They are the very personification of bourgeois aggression.

The seizure of power by the working class is not going to be a re-enactment of the events of 1917-23. I'm all for the arming of the working class for its self-defense, but the fact remains that no Winter Palaces will be stormed and the Red and White armies won't be meeting on the battlefield. Everyone needs to remember that.

A "workers' republic" exists only for the duration of the existence of what is termed the dictatorship of the proletariat; it only exists whilst there are classes, as a state of any sort is necessarily an institution of organised violence which is used by the ruling class of a country to maintain the conditions of its rule. A dictatorship of the proletariat organised as the ruling class (what happens when workers attain political power) technically only exists from its inception during revolution up to the point when the bourgeoisie cease to exist as a hostile class - when the means of production have been expropriated. This sort of state is unlike anything ever seen before; it is purely democratic in terms of its structure and functioning - there are no police as we know them, all officials of any sort are democratically elected and instantly revocable, and most importantly, virtually all decision-making is undertaken at the base-level by the working class acting in and for itself. Special forces and standing armies are necessarily agents of minority ruling classes and they have no place in a revolution, in socialism, etc. All steps should also be taken for their abolition under the present capitalist order.

[Fopeos]

The only positive that I can see, concerning the ruling classes' use of special forces, is that they can maintain their rule and meet their objectives without carpet-bombing entire cities and thus, murdering even more people. Until they're overthrown, it's probably better that they use special forces as opposed to full-scale invasion.