Nick Griffin to speak at Trinity College Ireland

[black magick hustla]

what argument? that antifascism is nothing more than subcultural warfare?.that was not an argument, that was a statement. and i did address it, i showed you that for at least me its about among other things; an principle of never again, better safe than sorry and personal antagonism.

there are a lot of things to be better safe than sorry, but nazi low lives are on the bottom of the priority list.

or your claim that attacking scabs and "pinkerton" heavies/hitsquats is something completely different than attacking the fash?

of course its something completely different than attacking the nazis today. one happens in periods of intense class struggle and is done by the hand of workers that are not necessarily subcultural ideologues, but normal people, and the other is done by a bunch of ideological wingnuts and the sausage fest brigade that is the antifascist movement that is heavily influenced by subcultures like punk and skinhead.

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people there are getting murdered for being leftists, no not even because they are in anti-fascism, just for being presumed leftists...

yes,this happens everywhere, and is done by the hands of many people, not some specific fascist methodology that you think dominates violence against migrants and leftists.

go look in greece, who do you think are the guys stabbing activists and migrants while under police protection? go look in columbia, who do you think form the death-squadrons that kill off the unionists? russia? eastern europe? venuzuela? turkey?

dude, when i was close to the icc, there was a very active turkish section made up of mostly kurds. the grey wolves are very dangerous, yes, and i think there are times we have to act in self defense but i think that is very different from the subcultural gang war that has become "antifascism" in the west. also latin american paramilitaries are not "fascists" not everyone that commits violence against communists are fascist dude.

the fash are todays pinkertons, destroying their organisations is essential to create and protect the space in which workers can work and organize to ultimately overthrow capitalism.

as i mentioned before, it is a failed analogy.

[fionntan]

I had a chat with a Dublin antifascist yesterday in Belfast and he assured me Griffin will not be speaking.

[Sasha]

there are a lot of things to be better safe than sorry, but nazi low lives are on the bottom of the priority list.




of course its something completely different than attacking the nazis today. one happens in periods of intense class struggle and is done by the hand of workers that are not necessarily subcultural ideologues, but normal people, and the other is done by a bunch of ideological wingnuts and the sausage fest brigade that is the antifascist movement that is heavily influenced by subcultures like punk and skinhead.


yes,this happens everywhere, and is done by the hands of many people, not some specific fascist methodology that you think dominates violence against migrants and leftists.



dude, when i was close to the icc, there was a very active turkish section made up of mostly kurds. the grey wolves are very dangerous, yes, and i think there are times we have to act in self defense but i think that is very different from the subcultural gang war that has become "antifascism" in the west. also latin american paramilitaries are not "fascists" not everyone that commits violence against communists are fascist dude.





as i mentioned before, it is a failed analogy.

Guess its pretty clear you have no clue what you are talking about, maybe you should take a trip through Europe and actually meet some antifascist who are older than 15.
You now sound as informed as your average Murdoch tabloid.
But thanks for sharing your "dont confuse me with the facts when my mind is made up" opinions, i trust you from now on leave this section alone until you are willing to actually debate.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

@black magic
I invite you to spend a week in my hometown in Poland and organise any anarchist/left wing activity openly. Let's see if nazi lowlifes will be on the bottom of your priority (that assuming you will still be able to conduct any activity after that).
In short you talk poo-poo sir.

[PhoenixAsh]

While I agree with the argument that not all people/groups who attack leftists, "minorities" or LGBT people are fascists most of them certainly come from the same corner, are inspired by groups which have ties to fascist or neo-Nazi organisations or are inspired by (some of) the same ideological theories.

The term fascist in the context of AFA/ANTIFA should not be to narrowly defined towards specific movements which fit a certain specific ideology. The respective organisations counter and oppose the variety of ideologes which are not only fascist in their origins but also make society as a whole more open to fascist and neo-Nazi ideology by allowing their expression to become mainstream or accepted as a valid political thought and concept.

A reference was made to the "respectable right wing". I like to add that the respectable rightwing is often as a part of strategy infiltrated by fascists and neo-Nazi elements with the specific goal of making the movement and ideology more respectable. This is a strategy which is well documented by various organisations in the AFA/ANTIFA corner (both radical and burgeoisie) and even by the mainstream media....and certainly not denied by fascists and neo-nazi's themselves.

In Europe fascism is still very much alive and kicking. Especially in the Eastern part where ultra rightwing nationalism is pretty much unopposed and mainstream.

If I go to Poland, Russia and the Ukrain I can not wear any leftwing symbols for my safety and the safety or people I am with. Several members of the groups I work with are very much concerned with keeping their identities hidden. So much so that even in social traffic over the internet they hide their identities. In the last six months three of them have been killed or hospitalised when they were attacked because of their political views outside political situations. They were sought up, taregtted and attacked in their own private situations.

Recently I was in western Germany and I was attacked with a boxcutter by some NDP guys. Got a nice cut over my cheek and some nasty bruising. All for displaying an anarchist symbol on my shirt.

So do not tell me that anti fascism is not a main priority. Marxism and revolutionary theory tells us that society will eventually develop into bonapartism and fascism. With the rise of ultra nationalism, anti-semitism, racism and LGBTQ-phobia this is already set in motion. That is a course of development we need to halt and prevent just as much as we need to overturn the capitalist system itself.

[Invader Zim]

Protest against what? A university society choosing to invite a man famous for his anti-immigration stance to a debate on immigration?

I wonder if UAF types would be protesting if the debating society had invited, say, Jack Straw or David Blunkett, i.e. people who, unlike non-entities like Griffin, have actually locked up and deported immigrants. (Probably not, because Straw and Blunkett support UAF, as does that lover of immigrants Prime Minister David Cameron. But let's not let that distract us from the real enemy.)

Nick Griffin has turned the BNP from a party that could only muster a few thousand votes two decades ago into the fifth most successful party in Britain which accrued in excess of half a million votes at the last general election. In his term of leadership the BNP have increased their election tally by nearly 1200%. And you think that they are a mere distraction?