Nick Griffin to speak at Trinity College Ireland

[RedSquare]

Reports from the blog of the BNP media contact Simon Darby indicate that Nick Griffin, the still BNP leader, intends to attend a debate on immigration hosted by the Trinity College Dublin's Philosophical Society on Thursday 20th October 2011.

They have a habit of inviting controversial fascists, and it's possible that like TCD student's previous efforts to invite David Irving it will be cancelled due to security concerns. Previous efforts by fascists such as Irving and Ireland's own Justin Barrett have ended in anti-fascist action at the events, most notably with success resulting in the Garda baton charge in a University College Cork lecture hall for the Irving event, and the heckling of Barrett at University College Dublin's debating society.

If you take a quick look over to the Democratic Right Movement's website, it's clear that they intend to capitalise on any successful Griffin visit and have invited him to come onto their webcast show. It would be a major encouragement for fascists in Ireland if this visit was to go ahead.


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[Ballyfornia]

Any one of a protests to this?

[CommieTroll]

Any one of a protests to this?

All I'd have to do is endure a 4 hour bus journey and I'm there It'd be a good opportunity to visit Connolly Books too

[Cork Socialist]

God I hate Nick Griffin.....

[Crux]

Anyone organizing anything?

[Vanguard1917]

Any one of a protests to this?

Protest against what? A university society choosing to invite a man famous for his anti-immigration stance to a debate on immigration?

I wonder if UAF types would be protesting if the debating society had invited, say, Jack Straw or David Blunkett, i.e. people who, unlike non-entities like Griffin, have actually locked up and deported immigrants. (Probably not, because Straw and Blunkett support UAF, as does that lover of immigrants Prime Minister David Cameron. But let's not let that distract us from the real enemy.)

[Crux]

Protest against what? A university society choosing to invite a man famous for his anti-immigration stance to a debate on immigration?

I wonder if UAF types would be protesting if the debating society had invited, say, Jack Straw or David Blunkett, i.e. people who, unlike non-entities like Griffin, have actually locked up and deported immigrants. (Probably not, because Straw and Blunkett support UAF, as does that lover of immigrants Prime Minister David Cameron. But let's not let that distract us from the real enemy.)

[Anarchist Skinhead]

I would protest against all of those bastards personally. In this particular one I do hope he will get a "royal welcome" and i dont mean pathetic UAF style chants from behind a police line.

[Ballyfornia]

All I'd have to do is endure a 4 hour bus journey and I'm there It'd be a good opportunity to visit Connolly Books too

Similar situation

[Sam_b]

i dont mean pathetic UAF style chants from behind a police line

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-trick_pony

[kombatwombat]

Nick Griffin needs to be set on fire.


Allegedly.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

sorry, I am afraid being a foreigner I didn't get your presumably oh-so-clever reference.

[PhoenixAsh]

It refers to somebody being able to do just one thing well. It also indicates somebody who trot out the same material over an over again.


I am not altogether sure if this was meant for you or for the UAF...

[Hit The North]

I wonder if UAF types would be protesting if the debating society had invited, say, Jack Straw or David Blunkett, i.e. people who, unlike non-entities like Griffin, have actually locked up and deported immigrants. (Probably not, because Straw and Blunkett support UAF, as does that lover of immigrants Prime Minister David Cameron. But let's not let that distract us from the real enemy.)

Let's be clear: there is no way that Straw, Blunkett and Cameron really support the UAF, apart from foolishly signing a list somewhere in order to boost their anti-racist credentials. None of them have ever attended or would ever attend a UAF rally. Meanwhile, any backward inference that the UAF support the immigration policies of these bourgeois politicians is also entirely spurious.

FTAO of Vanguard1917, Griffin is an ideologically convinced fascist and would not only do bad things to immigrants, if he got the chance. It is because he is a fascist that he should be mobilised against by anti-fascist organisations. Otherwise, what would be the point of these organisations existing at all?

[Devrim]

FTAO of Vanguard1917, Griffin is an ideologically convinced fascist and would not only do bad things to immigrants, if he got the chance.

There is a problem with this sentence, and I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say, but obviously it is true that Griffin is a rather unpleasant piece of work. It is also true that he is extremely unlikely to ever be in any position of real political power within the state.

Straw, Blunkett and Cameron on the other hand are people who have/have had political power within the state, and therefore have been involved, and in Blunkett's case directly so with him being Home Secretary, in locking up immigrants in detention camps and deporting them. Things Griffin can only fantasise about.

Devrim

[black magick hustla]

Otherwise, what would be the point of these organisations existing at all?

good question. now people are finally starting to ask the correct questions.

[Hit The North]

There is a problem with this sentence, and I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say, but obviously it is true that Griffin is a rather unpleasant piece of work. It is also true that he is extremely unlikely to ever be in any position of real political power within the state.

You'd understand what I meant if you'd included the sentence following it: "It is because he is a fascist that he should be mobilised against by anti-fascist organisations."

Straw, Blunkett and Cameron on the other hand are people who have/have had political power within the state, and therefore have been involved, and in Blunkett's case directly so with him being Home Secretary, in locking up immigrants in detention camps and deporting them. Things Griffin can only fantasise about.

True, and the majority of activists in and around the UAF opposed Blunkett's disgusting policies and continue to be among the people who mobilise local campaigns against proposed deportations in the current period.

Regardless of Blunkett's appalling politics, he is not a fascist. The UAF is a narrow campaigning group against fascism: that is, against fascist organisations.

Anyway, what do you care if a group of determined anti-fascists decide to try and mobilise to give a wanker like Griffin a hard time?

[Devrim]

You'd understand what I meant if you'd included the sentence following it: "It is because he is a fascist that he should be mobilised against by anti-fascist organisations."

It still doesn't make any sense. The sentence should run something like this:

"Griffin is an ideologically convinced fascist and would not only do bad things to immigrants, if he got the chance but also would attack working class living standards."

While I am being the grammar pedant, the comma is superfluous too.

Aren't you a school teacher or something like that?

Devrim

[Hit The North]

It still doesn't make any sense. The sentence should run something like this:

"Griffin is an ideologically convinced fascist and would not only do bad things to immigrants, if he got the chance but also would attack working class living standards."

While I am being the grammar pedant, the comma is superfluous too.

Aren't you a school teacher or something like that?

Devrim

Sorry, I thought you wanted to make a political point.

No, I'm not a school teacher, although I am "something like that".

[Aurora]

Perhaps it would be a good idea to focus on the issue at hand rather than discussing UAF which doesn't exist in Ireland?

Those arguing that fascists are irrelevant, your partially right especially in the south where there is no organised fascist party like the BNP but part of the reason there is practically no fascist presence is because of the work of anti-fascists in stopping their organising whenever they show their faces and by stopping people like David Irving and Nick Griffin from having a platform to spew hate speech and recruit.

The argument about fascists not holding state power is irrelevant, where fascists exist there are racist attacks, in 2009 in Belfast the houses of several Roma families were attacked and had their windows smashed in by suspected C18, no state power necessary.

So how should socialists react to fascism, by denouncing it as irrelevant? or perhaps like socialists did in 2008 by organising enough opposition to stop David Irving speaking in Cork and in Belfast 2009 by showing solidarity with the Roma under attack and organising the defence of the homes?