I think, secretly they do believe the holocaust happened and see it as a great accomplishment. They try to deny it publicly in an attempt to appeal to a broader base. Just a guess.
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Question About Neo-Nazi's
I have a question about Neo-nazi ideas. So National Socialist groups in America and other places deny the Holocaust and say it was a hoax. But yet they hate Jewish people and want to seem them wiped out. Isn't that contradictory? I mean if they are all about Hitler and his facist-ass wouldn't they be proud of the Holocaust? Otherwise it seems like their "great leader" didn't "accomplish" anything. I know, it may be hard to even delve into the mind of Nazi's, but I just don't get it.
"[People] act like its some kind of rock solid homogeneous body of masculine oiled men with big hammers and flat caps standing outside factory gates chewing tobacco and muttering 'those damn petit-bourgeois students and their alienating camera-smashing, I sure love me some CCTV! Don't you, comrade stakhnov?'." - Ravachol
I think, secretly they do believe the holocaust happened and see it as a great accomplishment. They try to deny it publicly in an attempt to appeal to a broader base. Just a guess.
By denying it, they get to claim that all evidence for the holocaust is Jewish propaganda part of their master plan for world domination.
So more opportunities to hate them basically.
"The coming Revolution can render no greater service to humanity than to make the wage system, in all its forms, an impossibility, and to render Communism, which is the negation of wage-slavery, the only possible solution."
From The Conquest Of Bread, by Peter Kropotkin
Pretty much it makes sense to them I am sure but I have always found X group controls the World to be extremely silly and paranoid. Their attacks on the Holocaust are basically to try and paint themselves as the Martyrs of WWII while completely ignoring all the countries Hitler steamrollered.
this ^ what tjis said, but also its pretty much like all those "kill the commies!" wannabe GI joes who still vehemently would deny any human rights abuses in vietnam.
they cant deal with the actual consequences of their violent rhetoric.
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
Most normal people have no tolerance for such a massive loss of life. So the nazis have to deny it because 1) they (most of them) can't come to grips with the fact that their ideology stands for the execution of 6 million and 2) in order to recruit people they must assure them that it won't happen, and the easiest way to do that would be to try and convince people it never did/there is no precedent.
Put capitalism in a bag of rice.
actually it's only 6 million jews
If you add all the homosexuals, mentally disabled people, physically disabled people, gypsies, POWs, trade unionists, socialists and communists that they killed the figure is closer to 11 million.
But that's only what bourgeois media say... and they're bloody generous to nazis, compared to communism. The true figures probably considerably higher than 11 million.
Da Fok?
Indeed, I have always found it kind of insulting that the Holocaust count most of the time ignores everyone else but Jews. The reality is the Nazis tore such a bloody swath through Europe that the only way anyone could redeem that is by claiming it didn't happen. I think that is the reason the Neos only discuss the Jews as trying to say how everyone else is a coverup or propaganda as well wouldn't make any sense not even in their warped ideology.
Add to that the 1-2 million civilians murdered by the Ustache in Croatia and whatever the figures for Italian and Fascist murder of civilians (I'd imagine mostly leftists and dissidents, nothing on the same scale as Germany and Croatia) and the then the figure of civilian murders directly caused by purposeful extermination justified by Fascist ideology (not famines or poor economic policy or anything like that) is quite incredible considering its brief influence. This doesn't even take into account the millions of war deaths and the 12-19 million Soviet civilians killed during the war (famines, purposeful neglect and the fact the biggest war in human history was going on in the region mean that these deaths were slightly different to the more structured mass murders).
And that assumes that we don't consider Japan Fascist. Historians estimate that the Japanese armed forces killed anywhere between 5 and 30 millions (mostly Chinese) civilians between 1937 and 1945.
The more you think about Fascism the worst it seems. These figures are really fucking mind boggling. Even at their worst neither Stalin nor Mao ever did anything so terrible as the shit that went on in the 30s and 40s in Europe and the Far East.
Yes, it's unfortunate that the other 5 million victims are often forgotten about, I'm extremely lucky that my great-grandparents were spared.
I think there are numerous reasons why that is the case such as the fact that pretty much all Hitler ever spoke about was the Jews, and the fact that the majority of the people killed in the Holocaust were Jews, and the creation of Israel which the Holocaust had a huge factor in justifying.
That raises an interesting question, was Imperial Japan a Fascist state?
Oh and when discussing Fascism don't forget the people Franco had killed, and possibly Pinochet in Chile(I'm not sure if he was a real Fascist or not though)
Pinochet was good friends with Maggie Thatcher.
Poor Pinochet...
Da Fok?
Whether or not Japan was fascist during the second world war has been heavily discussed before: http://www.revleft.com/vb/japan-fasc...091/index.html
"The coming Revolution can render no greater service to humanity than to make the wage system, in all its forms, an impossibility, and to render Communism, which is the negation of wage-slavery, the only possible solution."
From The Conquest Of Bread, by Peter Kropotkin
Neo-nazis don't have to make sense, on Holacaust it is just like Fopeos and Tjis said.
An awesome (stupid) fact is that here in Brasil I once a neo nazi leader who was of mixed black/native-american ascendancy
I think it's mainly because they feel it discredits their ideology completely and holds them back, this is what Harold Covington (a neo-Nazi) said about it:
Japan was not fascist. Fascism is a specific thing, not a broad term to throw at mass murderers.
Noun
fascism (usually uncountable; plural fascisms)
1.A political regime, having totalitarian aspirations, ideologically based on a relationship between business and the centralized government, business-and-government control of the market place, repression of criticism or opposition, a leader cult and exalting the state and/or religion above individual rights. Originally only applied (usually capitalized) to Benito Mussolini's Italy.
I think 1930's Japan fit this definition
Should we look at the dictionary definitions for Anarchism or Communism both are just as vague and inaccurate.
If there is no mention of the ultra-nationalism that is inherent in fascism it a flawed definition.
Regardless, saying Japan was Fascist is alot different than saying someone like Pol Pot was fascist, Japan had many of the ideological traits of Fascism, had several confirmed fascists in highlevels of the government at the time, and pursued close relations with the two nations had Fascism as there main ideology and as the saying goes, "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."
