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    The contradiction in Neo-Nazism lies in their total defence of Adolf Hitler. Most Neo-Nazis, or at least the ones who won't blatantly state that they are part of the legacy of the murders of over 11 million individuals, will state outright that Hitler had no idea what was going on in the Holocaust. Supposedly, Jews, homosexuals, cripples, the insane, &c (not Communists generally, though), were to be deported to nations that would deal with them in a positive manner. Hitler gave control of the deportation programme to Heinrich Himmler, who, according to the Neo-Nazis, secretly went behind Hitler's back to execute the victims of the Holocaust. They further believe that Hitler committed suicide in 1945 because he could not cope with the actions of Himmler in the Holocaust (a load of crockery, if you ask me).

    Japan was not Fascist, they were Imperial, or more accurately a modernised Feudalist State. Compare it to the Tsar or the Kaiser.

    A more accurate definition of Fascism, I find, would be the following:

    "Fascism, a socio-political ideology of the Far Right, created primarily by Italian Benito Mussolini, is an ideology promoting the survival and prosperity of the State above all else. To accomplish this goal, all individuals must be unified under the intent of the State, thus creating a great importance in the notion of Nationalism (i.e. celebration of all things of the nation, primarily culturally and militarily). This has deep roots in the Thomas Hobbes interpretation of Social Contract Theory (as shown in "Leviathan"), where a strong government entity is necessary to overpower the natural warring status of mankind when left to their devices of competition, diffidence, and glory. The State's power establishes order and justice, allowing for unity within and the flourishing of a national culture, but it is constantly threatened by external State forces that may potential seek to overpower the original State. Thus the Fascist State must constantly expand until its hegemonic presence either presents itself as the sole Hyperpower or the sole power in the world, creating a singular, ultra-national code of ethics, culture, language, &c, and thus, in a sense, establishing world peace. To meet these ends, Fascists praise merit, honour, and strength, which they believe to be exemplified in wartime. Through constant promotion of these values, the national body can be mobilised to war with a strange fervor. This in turn reinforces the national identity through Social Darwinism by eliminating those deemed demeritorious, dishonourable, weak, or cowardly--in other words, inferior--allowing for the supposedly superior human stock to continue to procreate until the ultimate national breed can exist.

    To meet the needs of the Authoritarian (and occasionally Totalitarian) structure of the Fascist State with Fascist values, a strong governmental hierarchy must be formed and it must possess the greatest power of any other social classes in society. Government must put a model example of the Fascist values, typically as their leader (often a dictator, although not necessarily), to be idolised by the general public. Because of the particularity in what constitutes a model of Fascist values and the paranoid dominance of the nomenklatura, successors to Fascist leaders are often hard to determine. Democracy, viewed as a facade, is directly ruled out, as generally is Oligarchy, as they both eliminate the certainty of the superior quality of the leader. It is not uncommon then for a Fascist leader to essentially apprentice a successor, opening him or her (generally him) to the public as much as possible for a smooth transition of power.

    Eugenics, although a tenant of Fascism in order to promote the "health" of the nation long term, is rarely if ever as extreme as was taken by the National Socialists. In general, Fascists view all races to be unique and equal, but promote the dominant race of their nation in line with the previously established tenant of Nationalism. As Fascism is most often centred in Europe, the Caucasian race (specifically the "Aryans" of Scandinavia) is most often mistaken as the "superior race" through a Fascist lens, both by the general public and by many Fascists who find comfort in the seeming racism of the ideology.

    Fascists further reject the Liberal and Marxist interpretations of class. To a Fascist, the bourgeoisie should not be permitted to dominate the rest of society, but neither should the proletarian. Rather, the government class of nomenklatura must work in conjunction with the dominant classes to establish class harmony, which they believe can be established through Corporatism. Corporatism is the private control of industry (promotes the bourgeois and thus Liberalism) with heavy union representation and thus worker control (promotes the proletarian and thus Marxism), but under the heavy direction of the State, especially when in the State's own interest (promotes the nomenklatura, supposedly harmonises class struggle, and completes tripartisan Fascism)."
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    Regardless, saying Japan was Fascist is alot different than saying someone like Pol Pot was fascist, Japan had many of the ideological traits of Fascism, had several confirmed fascists in highlevels of the government at the time, and pursued close relations with the two nations had Fascism as there main ideology and as the saying goes, "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."
    Japan wasn't fascist it was at the beginning a typical Imperial Monarchy there is no questioning that they even crushed a fascist uprising by Imperial Army Cadets. Once Tojo took control it became a Military Junta but it was never fascist it was just an Ultranationalist Entity that wanted to created an East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere in which Japan was the ultimate controller of everything thus not very fascist as they didn't intend to subjugate unlike Italy with the literal rebuilding of the Roman Empire instead the Japanese wanted puppets that would support the Emperor of Japan as the head of an Asian Confederacy.

    Japan was still Feudalistic in Nature and made no attempts at Class Collaboration that Fascism aimed for. Hell they seemed more intent at further stratification and class antagonism in their system which is something a Fascist system attempts to stop because it is considered unhealthy for the State.
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    Japan wasn't fascist it was at the beginning a typical Imperial Monarchy there is no questioning that they even crushed a fascist uprising by Imperial Army Cadets. Once Tojo took control it became a Military Junta but it was never fascist it was just an Ultranationalist Entity that wanted to created an East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere in which Japan was the ultimate controller of everything thus not very fascist as they didn't intend to subjugate unlike Italy with the literal rebuilding of the Roman Empire instead the Japanese wanted puppets that would support the Emperor of Japan as the head of an Asian Confederacy.

    Japan was still Feudalistic in Nature and made no attempts at Class Collaboration that Fascism aimed for. Hell they seemed more intent at further stratification and class antagonism in their system which is something a Fascist system attempts to stop because it is considered unhealthy for the State.
    There were definitely attempts at realising fascism such as the Taisei Yokusankai (aiming at a totalitarian mass-movement, with moderate success in doing so), but the upper parts of the political structure did not particularly find this appealing, and those attempts were short-lived and had already mostly fizzled out into obscurity by 1941.
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    I have a question about Neo-nazi ideas. So National Socialist groups in America and other places deny the Holocaust and say it was a hoax. But yet they hate Jewish people and want to seem them wiped out. Isn't that contradictory? I mean if they are all about Hitler and his facist-ass wouldn't they be proud of the Holocaust? Otherwise it seems like their "great leader" didn't "accomplish" anything. I know, it may be hard to even delve into the mind of Nazi's, but I just don't get it.
    Well, having being involved in this sick crowd I can say that basically they deny the holocaust solely to say "Hitler wasn't that bad". I mean they grasp at straws and slight holes in the "holohoax" pointing out things that real scientists also know are fake. It's like when Creationists talk about those drawings of fetuses or Piltdown Man.
    Nobody denies the holocaust except Nazi sympathizers. But you can't blame them, I mean, if they didn't deny it they would have to justify it

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