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Québec Nationalism
Hello.
Alot of things are happening here in the province of Québec (Canada)
There is a neat regression of french speakers here. And it looks like our federal government have nothing against it.
Is it wrong to be a Québec nationalist/secessionist? Knowing that what the federal government want is we become a minority. I just don't want to see english speakers here (no offence). This region has been french since so long. becoming a minority here would just destroy our culture, our language. I don't want to have to speak english in Québec...it's total nonsence.
Pour les Québecois : Avez-vous déja été au quartier dix-30? Avez-vous remarqué que 50% des gens y parlent en anglais?
You are sounding ALOT like a White Nationalist. Let's replace some of the words in what you've said...
"the government wants us to become a minority"
"the region has been white for so long"
"the blacks and muslims destroy our culture"
"I don't want to see mexicans here"
"I don't want to have to speak arabic"
You see the correlation?
There is ALOT wrong with nationalism of any kind.
By the way, i'm no white nationalist. I just don't care if muslim, blacks, asians or whatever come here. Though, i think we sould help them to learn the local language.
The problem is that were doing alot of effort to speak english (including me) But they are doing a lot of effort to assimilate us. Isn't that white nationalism from them?
They have a nasty expression called : Speak White. They are the white nationalists.
Pretty much what has been said above. Yes, it is wrong to support any kind of nationalism. This goes for Québec, Ireland, and any others who attach the word "left" to their "nationalism" to make it seem more sympathetic. And while the Irish at least have anti-colonialism to go on, you guys in Québec are just another language minority. Deal with it and develop a revolutionary point of view instead.
Your views about the French people of Quebec along with their language & culture are the exact same as a White Nationalist's views about the white race.
Nationalism is nationalism, all forms are just as bad.
I really think you should step back and think for a second about what you've written.
Hmm Yeah. I see. it was pretty stupid from me.
I have nothing against other cultures, i love ethnics and cultures. I make efforts to be able to communicate.
I'm pretty confused.
Look at my quotes in the first post.
I've taken things that you have said, and changed some of the words to match how a White Nationalist thinks.
The only words I had to change were the people and things you were opposed to.
yes i read that. So nationalism is thinking you are better than anybody else?
I can see now why it's bad.
Just to clarify, I wasn't calling you a White Nationalist, I was simply saying that what you're saying is very similar to what White Nationalists say.
Also, nationalism doesn't mean supremacy, although supremacy often comes hand in hand with it.
Who cares if only 50% of kids speak French in an area that was conquered by the French hundreds of years ago? What's the point of forcing people to learn French just so you can acknowledge a distant part of your history?
thats not the question, the question is what good would it bring if quebec would its own nation? would the workers in quebec have anything more to say then they do now? very much likely not. would quebec still be another bougeois state? yes it would be. besides quebec would still be depndent on canada and/or the usa anyway, so it wouldnt even be really independent.
and this seems to me the only reason why you support "quebecian nationalism", because you dont want to speak english in quebec, and that would be it. i mean what else would a "free quebec" bring besides that?
All i want is a Marxist Hunk.
It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
The Quebec nationalist movement is very much a waste of time. The focus needs to be on uniting workers, not dividing them on national lines.
Woah, what's up with the absurd responses to a legitimate question? All peoples are entitled to the right of self-determination including the Quebecois. If the people of Quebec see it fit to secede then they should have that right. I've noticed a lot of Anglophone chauvinism on this forum, so I'm not really surprised by many of the answers. It's not easy to be a minority with an easily identifiable culture in an imperialist nation.
What if I want to secede from the Netherlands. I have my own culture that is quite distinct from the rest of the Dutch people. I should have my own state around the size of the Randstad.
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But seriously. Creating/dividing/combining nations is not leftist, eliminating the nation-state is.
No, nationalism can be progessive. Are you one of those people who think that black nationalism is just as reactionary as white nationalism?
Indeed, same goes for reactionary Newfoundland nationalism that you can find in this province...
Two more candidates for the "Socialist" Phailanx....
well, then tell me how it would be "progressive" if quebec becomes a new nation?
All i want is a Marxist Hunk.
It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
You're either communist or nationalist. You can't have the cake and eat it too.
That's a silly statement, I'm not a nationalist of any kind. I recommend you read this.
The Quebecois are a historically oppressed people, if they feel that Anglophone chauvinism is too extreme and that they must secede than they should be allowed to. Quebecois nationalism also generally has progressive elements (similar to black nationalism) because they've been historically oppressed and are more receptive to socialism.
I think that the pot is generally calling the kettle black in this thread. Canadian nationalism and chauvinism seems to be pretty prevalent, at least when it comes to the Quebec question.
And yet you're defending Quebecer nationalism as being "progressive".
Any more oppressed than the North American indigenous populations their French colonial ancestors murdered in mass? Give me a break.
