Childcare rearing

[gendoikari]

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology

yeah but the crowning all mark of fascism is corpratist control of the state. She has stated nothing of this.

[Azula]

The problem with your proposal is that the empowerment and equality you claim to so dearly hold ends up leading to child-rearing-fascism. Have you ever considered that men are different for a reason? There was actually an experiment similar to the "method" you have espoused here, a boy was brought up by his parents to believe he was a girl and was made to play with dolls, dress like a girl, do girly things. You know what happened? He got older and wanted to be a man....and after finding out he really was a man he killed himself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

Pretty much every gender reversal/neutral experiments that I've read about have been an epic fail.

One case is not statistically reassuring.

[PhoenixAsh]

On the other hand Azula...what cases do you have to cite for your proposals. Because so far we have not seen one. We did however see one which was quite clearly evidence of the contrary.

Or does this fit in with your insanity in the Vanguard thread that you do not care how many people you break and destroy as long as you keep the really dedicated ones?

Because that comes close to social darwinism

[Azula]

http://www.my719moms.com/news/swedis...nder-equality/

[Nox]

yeah but the crowning all mark of fascism is corpratist control of the state.

What on Earth does 'corpratist control of the state' have anything to do with Marxism-Leninism...

[Susurrus]

What on Earth does 'corpratist control of the state' have anything to do with Marxism-Leninism...

Nothing, he was pointing that she/he has not posted anything advocating it and therefore is most likely not a fascist

[gendoikari]

http://www.my719moms.com/news/swedis...nder-equality/

A child psychologist at the University of California suggests that the teachings at the school could actually emasculate little boys, as many behaviors, such as turning sticks into swords may get disapproval.

This isn't creating a gender free zone, it isn't even a gender reversal, it is trying to make males accept the female archetype.

[gendoikari]

What on Earth does 'corpratist control of the state' have anything to do with Marxism-Leninism...

absolutely nothing i was referring to Fascism. And how the OP has posted nothing of the sort and therefore cannot be classified as fascist.

[Nox]

Nothing, he was pointing that she/he has not posted anything advocating it and therefore is most likely not a fascist

He said earlier that she was very authoriatarian and that she must be either a stalinist or a fascist

[gendoikari]

He said earlier that she was very authoriatarian and that she must be either a stalinist or a fascist

yeah fascists believe in corpratist control of the state. Stalinists are just authoritarian socialist. Which are fine by me. its the fascists I have problems with.

[Ballyfornia]

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical, authoritarian nationalist political ideology

Sooo... Stalinism?

[gendoikari]

Sooo... Stalinism?

That's flame baiting of the highest most secretive order. Why? that's a point of contention between socialists. But strictly speaking no, stalinism is not fascism.

[Quail]

Where the hell is Quail, or CoTR? They've got first hand experience with child raising.

I had to get an early night and thought better of responding to this thread.

You wanted some proposals for how to change male attitudes.

Ok. Here we go.

For example, name girls with boy names and vice versa. Boys should have pink sweaters and girls have blue sweaters.

In kindergarten, prevent the boys from playing with action figures and cars, and the girls from playing with Barbie dolls.

Another idea is to have completely gender neutral child care, where the children would not know the gender of one another.

I think that could be a start, and it is in fact already implemented in some places.

I think the main problem with what you're suggesting is that you want to force children into the opposite gender roles. As people have said above, forcing children into the opposite gender roles isn't going to stop gender roles from existing, and you're probably going to end up with a lot of fucked up children. Why not give the children the option to choose what they want to wear, what they want to play with, etc. Encourage children to explore what they find interesting and fun to do instead of encouraging them to live up to certain stereotypes.

My child is only 17 months old, so I only really have baby/toddler experience. I do find it annoying that toys and clothes are very gender specific, but I'm going to do the best I can to encourage him to do what he wants and I certainly won't be telling him that he can't or must do something because it's "girly." I think a problem I'm going to have is that the rest of my family don't know anything about feminism and gender roles. My brother, for example, is a typical "macho" kind of guy, and obviously that will have an influence on my son.

[PhoenixAsh]

http://www.my719moms.com/news/swedis...nder-equality/

o..right...yeah we had that one. But...have you noticed in the title: "seeks"

This is an experiment which has not been finished and therefore does not count as evidence of the positive effects yet.

Also note the complete and utter absence of any mention of them forcing boys to wear dresses or forcing them into behavioural patterns.

[Nox]

Sooo... Stalinism?

...You serious?

[Susurrus]

...You serious?

"For the Motherland and in the name of Stalin!"

[gendoikari]

"For the Motherland and in the name of Stalin!"

My flaming shitstorm sense is tingling. With azula in the mix here with a stalinist/fascist rage thread brewing this is going to be fun to watch.

[Susurrus]

Stalinism is not fascism, but one cannot deny it has a nationalistic and authoritarian(I dare you to say it's not) tendency.

[Azula]

Stalinism is not fascism, but one cannot deny it has a nationalistic and authoritarian(I dare you to say it's not) tendency.

This thread is straying into the ditch, but Stalinism is not nationalist (even though I disagree with some of Stalin's policies, for example in not making the liberated countries into Soviet Republics).

[Susurrus]

This thread is straying into the ditch, but Stalinism is not nationalist (even though I disagree with some of Stalin's policies, for example in not making the liberated countries into Soviet Republics).

It really is, to some extent. There's the whole "motherland" concept pounded into people's heads, WWII is called the Great Patriotic War, and the Church was allowed greater influence during WWII to help the war effort, in addition to the whole "sacred war thing".