Care to turn me into a leftist ?

[PassTheBeer]

by leftist I mean far left..

How exactly are you going to make millions of people join "the revolution" if those asking for a debate get banned, or are am not welcome here etc. Begin growing your red worker army with me, I'm your average right-wing Joe. I drive a yellow Volvo and work in the commerce department of a firm that sells agricultural parts.

I couldn't remember my account so I tried to make a new one.. This caught my eye:

This Community is open to all leftists. Right-wingers are not welcome, but tolerated within the 'Opposing Ideologies' forum. Right-wing messages will be ignored or deleted in all other forums and the author will be banned. If you are a right-winger or convinced capitalist and can accept this rule, good. If not, fuck off and never come back!

Yeah, this just shines with style and intellectualism. I mean seriously, the first association were a bunch of punks with red mohawks writing this in the basement. No style at all.. I mean seriously, here is what Von Thronsthal would say:

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/...Thronstahl.jpg

and yes, you need style..

Here is what I support:

Fiscal conservatism
Social conservatism
Family values
Traditional values
Green politics
Intelectualism
Pan-europeanism
Strict immigration laws
Conscription (and light militarism)
Palestine state
Military invasions for humanitarian causes (Somalia, North Korea)
Don't ask don't tell
Anti-communism

Lets keep it civil.
I'm not a fascist, nazi, national-bolshevik, monarchist, national-syndicalist bla bla bla , so admin, please don't satisfy your urge to ban me, I've heard the admins here are easy on the trigger.

game on (I'm still guessing I will be banned or mocked.. please surprise me)

[Susurrus]

Well, what exactly do you want to know, what causes you to support what you do, and what are your problems with communism?

[Nox]

This Community is open to all leftists. Right-wingers are not welcome, but tolerated within the 'Opposing Ideologies' forum. Right-wing messages will be ignored or deleted in all other forums and the author will be banned. If you are a right-winger or convinced capitalist and can accept this rule, good. If not, fuck off and never come back!

Yeah, this just shines with style and intellectualism. I mean seriously, the first association were a bunch of punks with red mohawks writing this in the basement.

I feel this is justified. 95%+ of the non-Communists on here are either attention seekers or trolls. This is a Communist forum, if you're a right-winger and can't accept our rules then simply fuck off.

[danyboy27]

non-leftist asking for debates are not banned but restricted, and while you are restricted nothing is stopping you from creating thread and engaging in such debates.

[Obs]

Well that's great but if you can't explain why you hold your views we can't discuss with you, because then it's fairly obvious you're just stubbornly clinging to these views rather than basing them on thought.

[Nox]

I think the best thing to do first would be for someone to explain to him how bad Capitalism is, once you make them anti-Capitalist all you have to do is make them interationalist and boom, they're all yours

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Here is what I support:

Fiscal conservatism
Social conservatism
Family values
Traditional values
Green politics
Intelectualism
Pan-europeanism
Strict immigration laws
Conscription (and light militarism)
Palestine state
Military invasions for humanitarian causes (Somalia, North Korea)
Don't ask don't tell
Anti-communism

Given this list, I'm not at all sure that I can reason you out of positions you don't appear to have reached using reason.

[danyboy27]

what do you think about teaching gay history in class?

[Thirsty Crow]

I don't think it's fair to just drop a list and expect people to construct arguments dealing with why these positions are reactionary or whatever.

You should first explain your positions.

[Ocean Seal]

Fiscal conservatism

We don't subscribe to the fiscally liberal/conservative label. We're communists and support the planned economy. So debating on this seems rather meaningless.

Social conservatism
Family values
Traditional values

Just because something has been around a long time doesn't make it good.

Green politics

Within reason most of us do to.

Intelectualism
Pan-europeanism
Strict immigration laws
Anti-communism
Conscription (and light militarism)
Military invasions for humanitarian causes (Somalia, North Korea)

All of these things combined sound a little quasi-fascist. You really can't be fiscally conservative with the later two.
Also there is no such thing as a military invasion for humanitarian causes.

Palestine state

So do we.

Don't ask don't tell

Herp. Why?

Lets keep it civil.
I'm not a fascist, nazi, national-bolshevik, monarchist, national-syndicalist bla bla bla , so admin, please don't satisfy your urge to ban me, I've heard the admins here are easy on the trigger.

game on (I'm still guessing I will be banned or mocked.. please surprise me)

I'm guessing you've trolled here before. Troll on good sir.

[Rafiq]

The revolution does not happen by 'getting support'. It just happens. Kind of like whats happening in Britain.

You selfish fucking prick, you obviously haven't been hit by this fucking capitalist mess and therefore can go on "I'm an objectivist, I'm a tea partyer" blah blah fucking blah blah.

Fuck off and die. We don't need you in our movement, just like we don't need the fackin bourgeoisie.

[Rafiq]

Oh, and we have style.

[Nox]

Oh, and we have style.

No, Comrade, THIS is what I call style...

[Hoipolloi Cassidy]

At the tail end of the Nineteenth Century a group known as the People’s Will was trying to organize the workers of Saint Petersburg. The workers weren’t impressed. Finally, one of them told the organizers, "I listen to you and all the time I have the feeling that you want to get us mad. We want you to give us the facts, and when we know everything and the time comes to get mad, we will get mad ourselves."

One day a grizzled old museum visitor told me, "I hear you lecture and I have the feeling that you want to sell me something: Beauty, revolution, the joys of being rich. Give me the facts, and when the time comes to produce or to consume—the time when I decide what to produce, how to consume—I’ll make my own decisions, thank you."

There’s really not much need to get folks mad these days; just tell them what they’re mad about.

- from The Red Museum. Art, economics and the ends of capital. New York: The Orange Press.

[PassTheBeer]

Well, what exactly do you want to know, what causes you to support what you do, and what are your problems with communism?

I'm conservative, to say at least. I think communism could only work if there was no sin. People are not fair , they want power

[PassTheBeer]

I feel this is justified. 95%+ of the non-Communists on here are either attention seekers or trolls. This is a Communist forum, if you're a right-winger and can't accept our rules then simply fuck off.

Debate could strengthen your viewpoints or make you realize some errors you did not see earlier. I'm gouseeing most of you here are impressionable teenagers or students in their rebel phase.

[PassTheBeer]

non-leftist asking for debates are not banned but restricted, and while you are restricted nothing is stopping you from creating thread and engaging in such debates.

I'm cool with that

[PassTheBeer]

Well that's great but if you can't explain why you hold your views we can't discuss with you, because then it's fairly obvious you're just stubbornly clinging to these views rather than basing them on thought.

Fair enough. An open market encourages competition, it makes people study and contribute more to the society. Its a high risk, high reward system. I don't see a alternative. I'm guessing center left is also a valid option. Although its more "human friendly" It still works well. I am what I am because I think its the best system and because I think communism and anarchism are impossible while there is sin (to explain that as a christian). Besides, I relay relay hate the concept of not having private property.

There are practical problems also.. lets say there is no money and you take what you want. I wouldn't work.. why should I ? I work to achieve my goals, sustain the people I care for. I really wouldn't work if I didn't have to. For whom should I ? For you ? No thanks. I'm a lone wolf.

[PassTheBeer]

I think the best thing to do first would be for someone to explain to him how bad Capitalism is, once you make them anti-Capitalist all you have to do is make them interationalist and boom, they're all yours

Capitalism works fine for me and the people I know. There are ups and downs but society is advancing all the time. Communism/anarchism is just too much of a radical change

[PassTheBeer]

Given this list, I'm not at all sure that I can reason you out of positions you don't appear to have reached using reason.

Oh wow, what a hardcore answer. It seems the majority of the world is dumb and the little fraction of intellectuals is on this forum. Gee, I feel warm having the honor of not being banned from here yet