Is Islamic Sharia compatible with Leftist ideologies?

[Adil3tr]

The prophet and the proletariat

Chris Harman

[Salabra]

as for reading your posts in my opinion some are borderline "islamophobic",bigotted and others at the least zionist..comrade..

I guess I’ll put it in terms you can understand (adapting the final words of Ben Kingsley in Gandhi) — Yes, I am an ‘islamophobe’ … and a ‘hinduphobe’ … and a ‘christianophobe’ … and a ‘judaeophobe’ … and a ‘galaxian-ultra-orthodox-ophobe’! I will have no truck with any religion — I am a communist, which means that I am an uncompromising, even militant, atheist. I cannot, and will not, pretend that religion is ‘progressive’ — even if it sits in the toolbox of the ‘anti-imperialist struggle.’

I am also an internationalist. I have repeatedly damned zionism, both secular and religious, but I have no time for petty-bourgeois Palestinian nationalism either, especially when its conception of ‘liberation’ involves me marching at the back of the parade in a stifling black tent waving a sign that reads “god is great” — or worse, fighting for ‘freedom’ and then being told to go back to the haram by a bunch of bearded-bricks-with-dangly-bits who think that their invisible friend has made them ‘superior’ to me.

The proper response to the Palestinian situation (which is obviously the cause which most concerns you — I challenge islam and you redirect the argument by calling me a zionist) is to form a secular, multi-ethnic communist party that will fight for a Socialist Republic of the Middle East. Socialize your productive resources, plan your economies, produce for use not profit, declare absolute equality for all members of society, regardless of gender, sexuality, age, ability, “race,” ethnicity, skin colour or any other criterion— and hang from the lamp-posts any imam, rabbi or priest who puts religious ‘law’ before the laws of the proletarian state!

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

I am a communist, which means that I am an uncompromising, even militant, atheist. I cannot, and will not, pretend that religion is ‘progressive’ — even if it sits in the toolbox of the ‘anti-imperialist struggle.’

You don't have to be a militant atheist to be a Communist. Communist ideology, like any socioeconomic order is based on materialist principles (and is therefore non-theistic) and makes no metaphysical claims. There is no reason why one cannot accept the socioeconomic material component of Communism while still believing, personally or within a small social community, in some particular metaphysical system.

Granted, a sizable portion of the international Communist community is atheist going back to the secular socialist thinkers like Engels and Marx, but not all are. If a Muslim claims to be a socialist I'm not going to tell them that they are not "real" socialists based on their metaphysical beliefs.

In fact, going back to Marx there has been a recognition of religious communists. Consider primitive communism; the notion would be a fundamental contradiction if communists were necessarily atheists. All primitive Communist societies that we're aware of had or have rich folklores and mythologies.


No matter what you think about religion though religious law is antithetical to the modern Communist society we should be trying to build.

[Desperado]

Well considering they kill apostates, [...] pro-dietary restrictions; I say no.

Vegetarianism is hereby incompatible with communism!

[Kosakk]

Why do I see so many leftist wanting to try to combine feudal fundamental Islamic ideals with leftism? Is it because it seems like they are fighting against
"U.S. imperialism"?

Sadly, yes. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend". Not a very good idea, imo.

And on topic. I prefer secularism. As it doesn't favour any religions, but threat both the religion and the believers equally. (Instead of favouring one, and one only)

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

Let me bite a back (wink, I'll fast harder tomorrow) and say Choudray (while humerous at some points and not by his own doing) is a twit. This thread, also disappoints me in people's (mis)understanding of Islam and Islamic jurisprudence. I should also point out that Choudray describes himself as a Salafi. Considering this is the same person who like to call Kate Middleton a 'whore' and wants to see the numbers on Big Ben replaced with Arabic numbers, why anyone takes him seriously or as a valid spokesman for the Muslim community in general is beyond me.

[CHE with an AK]

Muhammad was fairly progressive for his time and society and would have probably been considered on the "left" if such a binary (left/right) notion existed at that time ...

Now could parts of Sharia be on the general larger non-secular "left"? Possibly.

Could Sharia be part of a revolutionary, communist, Marxism, left? No. Not in my view.

[Arabian-revolutionist]

to answer the op'squestion.?

NO..
but that doesnt excuse anti-muslim bigotry

the man asked for an answer guys not for your opinion in Islam or any other religion.