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Riots on the streets of London
[FONT=Arial] . . . . . . “Rioting has spread across London on a third night of violence, with unrest flaring in other English cities. [/FONT][FONT=Arial]An extra 1,700 police officers were deployed in London, where shops were looted and buildings were set alight. [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Birmingham, Liverpool, Nottingham and Bristol also saw violence”[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]How would Lenin, Mao or Castro deal with the working class (most of whom aren’t working) (some of whom aren’t old enough to work) running riot on the streets of our cities?[/FONT]
I don't know about Lenin or Mao or whatever, but a real socialist in government would give them jobs, lower tuition for schools, and address their absolutely legitimate concerns.
[FONT=Arial]I blame YOU for this situation. For the past 20+years the LEFT have been pushing and pushing their libertarian ideals which has caused this situation. Teachers can no longer discipline pupils, the police are constrained and the general public are in fear and despair. YOU have pushed for their ‘human rights’ their right to destroy and plunder at the cost of the ordinary working class. YOU should be ashamed our yourselves!
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Hold on a second....
These riots have got fuck all to do with "leftism" it's just criminal vandalism and opportunism. These are not poor people stealing food, these are people who are so "poor" they can use blackberries and internet to organise their attacks- what an insult to the starving poor of Somalia. What the fuck has setting fire to ordinary people's homes, attacking people in the street and rampaging around like this got to do with leftism or the original issue? Nothing! We're so angry we'll steal a pair of trainers! Pathetic! If the left jumps on this wagon then I recommend serious leftists jump off it.
These kids grew up under the so-called left until last year. Secondly, "governments" don't give people jobs.
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We've never been in government. In fact, the Left is quite small in this country. Or are you calling Labour and the Lib Dems "left", which is hilarious?
Piss off.
London will be set afire and there's nothing you can do about it. You piss brain, you blame the 'left'? Why don't you fucking blame Capitalism for this?
[FONT="Courier New"] “We stand for organized terror - this should be frankly admitted. Terror is an absolute necessity during times of revolution. Our aim is to fight against the enemies of the Revolution and of the new order of life. ”
― Felix Dzerzhinsky [/FONT]
لا شيء يمكن وقف محاكم التفتيش للثورة
Me?
This simply isn't factually correct in any way at all.
Yes, that's because they're supposed to be teaching instead. Go figure, the victims wake up and get to their feet and get blamed.
What exactly does this even mean?
We're the mole people from the center of the earth- you've outed us! If it weren't for you and your meddling dog we could have destroyed all of humanity once and for all!!
We are the general public, we are working class, we share beliefs, we agitate, educate and organize.
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
All the scum in this thread who oppose the insurrection. What kind of revolutionaries are you? The bourgeoisie will tremble at the might of the proletariat!
[FONT="Courier New"] “We stand for organized terror - this should be frankly admitted. Terror is an absolute necessity during times of revolution. Our aim is to fight against the enemies of the Revolution and of the new order of life. ”
― Felix Dzerzhinsky [/FONT]
لا شيء يمكن وقف محاكم التفتيش للثورة
I don't care.
Yeah, they're all welfare queens and lazy baby's daddies, rightThey must really love that "free ride" they're getting... So, most of the rioters are from predominantly black, low-income neighborhoods and this is somehow proof of their lack of employment? Did you go out and survey a sample pool of rioters to determine that the majority of them don't work? Furthermore, what does their employment status have to do with anything? The unemployed are members of the proletariat and are among the most oppressed.
So what? You think because someone can't legally be employed means they don't get harassed by police, witness drugs and violence, ignored by the state, subjected to underfunded schools, and packed in cramped ghettos? Yeah, they got a real bright fucking future.
It's as much theirs as yours.
That makes sense
The load of ass gravy you just spit out is nothing more than a pathetic knee-jerk reaction loaded with implied racism you fucking piece.
Here's something I posted on facebook about the riots. Try reading it, it may encourage you to think just a wee bit:
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
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I see it as payback for the English ruling class for continually shitting down the throats of the have-nots and for wilfully assuming that they would passively accept their heavy-handed approach to the economy and the crack-down on protests.
This sort of anger has been simmering for a while since the austerity measures and finally boiled over with the murder of Mark Duggan by the pigs and their ensuing cover-up and lack of transparency over the details of the event and investigation.
The looting and burning seems to have gotten out of hand though with criminal elements just stealing and attacking for fun with no moral compass. Of course it is mostly opportunistic, but it is an attack on the establishment, which might radicalise some working class youths and may force some reforms and manners into the 'law and order'. I'd love to see some direction and properly channelled rioting/demonstrations though.
And why is the OP singling out the left for blame, when quite clearly you can blame the greedy, selfish, individualistic capitalist culture that flashes all sorts of consumer imagery and products on a daily basis that creates a false conciousness of need and material obsession.
This sort of comes across as a troll thread.
"whatever they might make would never be the same as that world of dark streets and bright dreams"
http://youtu.be/g-PwIDYbDqI
barely a flicker.....
Reasons for riot is the SYSTEM i.e police brutality, poverty, young minorities being discriminated against, tough austerity measures, young people feeling suffocated, racism, rich who caused the economic crises left unpunished while the poor forked out, lost jobs, lost local services. Young people angry about the unaffordable university fees imposed by current conservative government, vat increase, price increase on almost everything while earnings remained the same ... list goes on
Yeah, the police are so goddamn constrained as to murder a man who has not reached for his weapon and consequently to beat down a young woman (16 year old) for daring to protest this incident.
Crawl back to your cave.
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Comrades Lenin and Mao were living in VERY different conditions from ours today, so I don't think this question makes much sense.Originally Posted by balaclava
WTF?Originally Posted by balaclava
Cultural Marxism.
Multiculturalism as well. The youth and ethnic minorities no longer know their place.
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“The possibility of securing for every member of society, by means of socialized production, an existence not only fully sufficient materially, and becoming day by day more full, but an existence guaranteeing to all the free development and exercise of their physical and mental faculties – this possibility is now for the first time here, but it is here.” Friedrich Engels
"The proletariat is its struggle; and its struggles have to this day not led it beyond class society, but deeper into it." Friends of the Classless Society
"Your life is survived by your deeds" - Steve von Till
We aren't the ones propping up a tiered education system in which parents fight for places in the "best" schools (shouldn't they all be the "best"?), we aren't the ones targeting poor and ethnic youth in stops and searches and having them die in our custody, and we aren't the ones flooding the media with consumerist propaganda that, surprise surprise, some take seriously and then get fucking pissed off when all the shiny goodies that are paraded daily on the telly and in shop windows aren't available to them.
It's fucking revolting that some people have the condescension to wag their moralist fingers at working class youth who have become sick and tired of being demonised by the media and the government, and express their anger in the most direct way they can - by lashing out at the the authorities and taking what was denied to them.
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