Results 81 to 100 of 191
It is implied here that the US forces were defeated by Korean forces. This is out and out not true. US forces were fought to a stalemate by the Chinese Army. Without the Chinese Army, the US would have overrun North Korea.
RED DAVE
And I'd be doubly embarrassed to write something like that.Originally Posted by RED DAVE
RED DAVE
You mean USA+UnitedNations(GB, France, NewZeland, Australia, Turkey, Netherland etc.) & South KoreaKorea...
If you take that it was agression of USA and N. Korea defended, it was not stalemate if they able to defend, they won.
btw: China took side in October-December with Volounteer army...
&
What would happen without USA intervention and UN later with South Korea? Just pointing out...or rather, what would happen without UN intervention...South Korea would not exist=>One Korea!
and btw, you were speaking really highly of USA, like..."USA can't be defeted" i sensed in your words...and "if chinese would not help..."
“If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.”
Iran doesn't even call itself Socialist, that's the sad part, he's making stupid speculations because it happens to pose itself as Anti-Imperialist.
Long live Islamist-Juche Reactionary Alliance! (IJRA!)
[FONT="Courier New"] “We stand for organized terror - this should be frankly admitted. Terror is an absolute necessity during times of revolution. Our aim is to fight against the enemies of the Revolution and of the new order of life. ”
― Felix Dzerzhinsky [/FONT]
لا شيء يمكن وقف محاكم التفتيش للثورة
Like free grass and mud for everybody? Or do the people of North Korea have to share their grass and mud, like real communists?
Next story you are going to tell us is that Pol Pot did wonders for the agricultural industry in cambodja? And nobody in the cities had never again a shortage of food?
Sorry, but move fucking over to north korea if you think it is so great. be sure the take your lawnmower
Wait what, HE works for that?
Just because I don't believe bourgeois media doesn't mean I have to believe pro-DPRK media.
I see your point. It does appear as if I'm searching for one truth. What I'm doing is searching for one truth that is true to me considering my social baggage...and later I have to compare that truth to the truths that I personally hold and see if it meets the same criteria of others. Then, I communicate that to others and see what they think. It's much more dynamic and up for social critique than just a logical positivist perspective.
The devaluation of the human world grows in direct proportion to the increase in value of the world of things. -Karl Marx
Of more value is that you understand and learn to not support your security on your clothes because if you lose everything then what are you left with if all you have is only decorations? What a shame. It surely sounds sad like a condemnation that you base your life on only material shit. Nothing special can be purchased. As the little prince says, “What is essential is invisible to the eye.” - Cultura Profetica [translated by me]
In 1987 the Islamic Republic of Iran killed around 30,000 leftists. In the very interesting graphic novel Persepolis Marjane Satrapi alludes to this. "Where are the tens of thousands of angry protesting leftists?," she asks, referring to the war weariness that Iran faced by the late 80s. Ghosts fill the page.
Any "anti-imperialist" who apologizes for such a regime is either
A.) insane
B.) extremely stupid.
The same goes for defenders of Assad, Mugabe,Qaddaffi, and yep, the Kim dynasty. You are one of the reasons why we still live under this horrific system.
Sorry but I am in a very bad mood right now.
To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget
Arundhati Roy
Lenina Rosenweg is a glorious beacon of light
The US did over run North Korea but were pushed back by the Chinese.
To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget
Arundhati Roy
Lenina Rosenweg is a glorious beacon of light
Sorry Comrae but the goal of North Korea's action was to conquer South Korea. The ojbect of the US forces was to take over North Korea. Both sides failed, and the result was the return to the prewar border. That's a stalemate.
Gobbledy-gook. If you have points to make, please present them in an orderly manner.
RED DAVE
I don't see why people on this forum are still defending North Korea, push aside all pro/anti media about North Korea, its a militaristic, famine ridden, totalitarian police state. Nothing you Juche fetishists can say will change that, you'll probably argue that ''I'm an agent for the Capitalist aristocracy or Fox news'', Kim Jong-Il has beaten his people into submission and claims to hold the best interests of his people at heart when in reality his country is ravaged with food shortages while he travels on a private armored train with fresh lobster. His corporate-fascist regime is a scar on the face of Socialism. His brutal regime turns away many people from leftism simply because he poses his country as Socialist/Communist, the last thing the revolutionary left needs is morons like Revleft By Birth (if it is a genuine account) preaching that Juche crap. Its pathetic that people would even ponder for even a second to defend North Korea or take the side of a Juche fanatic in a debate. All this nonsense over North Korea is laughable and yet sad. The DPRK is nothing but a bureaucratic controlled leach sucking on the tit of State Capitalist China to survive, no decent leftist in their right mind would take pride in solidarity with the DPRK, for all I care it can give way to US imperialism, at least then the proletariat in North Korea can have basic rights, healthcare and a reason to fight against Capitalism
Last edited by CommieTroll; 4th August 2011 at 04:10. Reason: Spelling errors
Yes in fact i will! From what I can see you are implicating that Pol Pot was fault to the famine?! That his actions resulted in famine!?
You my friend need to do some reading and stop listening to propaganda of west-mass media.
Because I'm nice person, I'll try to quickly picture it for you, quickly as possible...
Why Cambodia had famine if not because Pol Pot, well because our old nemesis, the USA. USA bombed Cambodia and destroyed most of its agriculture, the people run to the cites, they also run to the cities because of bad governance of previous government and bombings and some other factors (guerrilla fighting). Pol Pot tried and somehow succeeded to cut famine by sending overcrowded city residents to the farms and he used it as re-education so all bourgeoisie can see how thought is life on farm.
That was quick summery for brainwashed people, who do not know the other side of the story.
Please stop being stupid and ignorant westerner, do some readings, like Lenin said »Without books there is no Knowledge, Without knowledge, there is no socialism«
I really smiled to your nice proposal, it reminds me on brainwashed people from Imperialist West and their favorite argument, »if you are communist, why don't you move to Cuba or North Korea«
I don't know where are you from, but I will assume you are from some western brainwashed country, if not even Imperialists country or just Capitalist...Why Are you not moving from your Country? Are you not shame of what are you doing to the World and humans over the world or even to your citizens?
Maybe those so called »Leftist« stopped being active politically since their goal was achieved :
Joke aside, Not all Leftist are my friends either, the one who supports USA imperialism currently is NOT! If they are the danger to the socialism with their liberal bourgeoisie influenced ideas, they certainly need to be »put aside«, one way or another.
I don't know about Assad and Mugabe, from what I have seen they seems to be nice fellows, but Keep your hands from Muhammad al-Gaddafi!
Yea, I'm the reason why you life under that horrific system! Let USA come and give you democracy, I'm sure you will live better! (sarcasm)
You are right, US did not over run North Korea. The UN+USA+South Korea did! Please do some researches, North Korean army was pushed all the way to the North of North Korea, the Yalu river. And after that Chinese step in war to protect its fellow Communist Country from Imperialist (UN+USA) invasion and pushed back Imperialist.
The goals vary from time to time in times of war. NRDK did pre-empative attack so it could defend (according to one version, in other version South allready attacked them), they used momentum-counter attack and goal was to unify whole Korea. USA and other Imperialists (UN) assembled forces and attacked with all power, which was intense the DRPK and from that moment their goal was again to defend themselves. Get my point now ?
And your comment: »Without Chinese north Korea would lost« Its highly patriotic and biased, my question is, what would be if there would not be USA in conflict ? USA started it all and half of world waged and bombed DRPK and destroyed their Infrastructure.
“If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.”
I think you misunderstood his point, he wanted you to stop mindlessly praising the DPRK and suggested if you think its such a wonderful country with no flawsthen you should fuck off over there rather than spreading crap on this forum. Why do you keep accusing people of being brainwashed? You sound ''re-educated'' yourself, I actually plan on moving to Cuba when I'm older but North Korea? Who in their right mind would even go there?
Not to mention their style of government is basically a monarchy,
wake the fuck up and get your tongue out of Kim Jong-il's ass, and don't be pathetic and accuse me of believing ''Western Imperialist Propaganda''.
http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=682
I'm advising everyone to join
Ah yes the killing fields
I'll assume your from the west too, anyway, most leftist don't hold up North Korea, and most leftists that hold up Cuba would have no problem living there if their other option was a capitalist economy of the third world. NO ONE would rather live in North Korea.
Btw, SOCIALISM WAS BUILT ON LIBERALISM, socialism is a liberal ideology, btw black people in the US fought tooth and nail to be able to have equal rights were they just influenced by bourgeious ideas as well???
Put aside, look at you, it seams your just another tanky with a hard on for uniforms and violence.
Its not the USA giving anyone democracy, in Lybia its the people of Lybia, just like in Eygpt just like in Tunesia, but I guess you'd support any dictator that has a red flag.
Its not biased, nor is it patriotic, btw, with your masturbatory love for north korea I would'nt be talking about patriotic. BTW, no one said that the US did'nt save south Korea.
Oi Valdemar, it is entirely possible (if not standard) for communists, socialists and anarchists like myself, to click the "none of the above" category in this debate. the US is bad at home and imperialistically. North Korea is worse at home. I don't like either of them and wish to see them both abolished. I support the working class of these nations. We can do that you know, it isn't always black and white.
I see good points in nearly all sections of the socialist left.
I am in love with all Anarchists.
"All you punks want is a anarchy" -Fascist troll
I suggest if you think its so bad, why don't you you go there and confirm it for yourself?? You could join the Korean Friendship association and go on a trip and see yourself what workers power and socialism looks like in action and see the DPRK is not so bad as your western media sources and defectors claim.I think you misunderstood his point, he wanted you to stop mindlessly praising the DPRK and suggested if you think its such a wonderful country with no flaws
Not to mention their style of government is basically a monarchy,
wake the fuck up and get your tongue out of Kim Jong-il's ass, and don't be pathetic and accuse me of believing ''Western Imperialist Propaganda''.
http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=682
I'm advising everyone to join
This is OT, but equal rights to join the Bourgeoisie, and exploit people, and legitimize US imperialism? So called black civil rights leaders (Martin Luther King) were servants of the US ruling class designed to undermine the independent spirit of black people as embodied by real revolutionaries like Malcolm X, there have been a number of good editorials in Rodong Sinmun on this in the past.
Your "joke" is not in very good taste I'm afraid. The people killed by the regime included members of the Tudeh (Iranian CP), the 2 Hekmatist parties, Trotskyists, anarchists and Islamic leftists. There was an incident after the mullahs solidified their control where Iranian state TV held a "television round table" where the former Tudeh Central Committee officially denounced Marxism and embraced Shi'a Islam. It turned out that they had been horribly tortured to get them to do this, denounce their life's work.. One guy held out and he was killed for this.There is discussion on Louis Proyect's Marx,mail of the psychological torture the regime perpetrated on the Hekmatists.
Your "joke" dishonors their memory.
Obviously you know very little about Syria, Zimbabwe, Iran, Libya, Tunisia, and other places. I would suggest reading this, written by an Iranian, on the damage faux anti-imperialism has done to the left and the working class.
http://insurgentnotes.com/2011/07/an...an-revolution/
To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget
Arundhati Roy
Lenina Rosenweg is a glorious beacon of light
ah yes, so could we then see for ourselfs how north korea looks like, how the workers are treated and what their working condition is or will a guide be with us all the time and only show us the "nice" things about nk, like statues of the kims?
king was assassinated because he was an servant of the ruling class? not to mention that king in his later years was for social euality, supported strikes and was against the vietnam war and for this the ruling class actually disliked him quite a lot.
Last edited by Per Levy; 4th August 2011 at 17:59. Reason: fixing some errors
All i want is a Marxist Hunk.
It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
Thats not what the civil rights was about.
Really? MLK supported strikes, was against the war, supported militantism, he was a socialist, he was actually investigated by the FBI, Malcolm X and MLK had similar goals, the difference was one was non violent.
Why can't you just got and be an independant tourist? Oh yeah, I forgot. BTW, Vice travel guide did a trip to North Korea and made a documentary, about the trip, pretty messed up.
yeah spit on the corpses of over 30000 radical leftist of all tendencies, that really classy.
ah ya, so tell me how many members of revleft would you like to "put aside, one way or another"? and will it only be a labor camp or an execution field right away?
sure every bourgeoisie dictator that opposes the usa at one point is an awsome guy(sarcasm). seriously, just as an example, gaddafi is billionare that was on very good terms with the imperialistic west until this year.
All i want is a Marxist Hunk.
It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
