Why is Communism better the Capitalism?

[RGacky3]

Have a painter design a space ship ore a boy scout as a general you get my drift i hope.
Thats why you need some form of hirarchy.

That does'nt require hiarchy, of coarse you might have directors or managers, but they will be totally accountable to everyone else invovled, meaning its not a hiarchy.

But even some one higher in the hirarchy shold realize he is sucandary to the colectiff otherwise we'd be nothing else than hypocrite capitalist's posing as socialist's

The collective only comes around when its something involving the collective. Communism is not about everything being the collective, its putting collective things in the hands of the collective and individual things in the hand of the individual.

[Joseph S.]

That does'nt require hiarchy, of coarse you might have directors or managers, but they will be totally accountable to everyone else invovled, meaning its not a hiarchy.

In the abstract way even that stil is a hirarchy

The collective only comes around when its something involving the collective. Communism is not about everything being the collective, its putting collective things in the hands of the collective and individual things in the hand of the individual.

If you understand wat i mean with the comment on the quote above this one you wil understand why i say this.

[tradeunionsupporter]

There are many problems with Capitalism.

[RGacky3]

In the abstract way even that stil is a hirarchy

If the people are HIS boss, thats not a hiarchy, but your just playing semantics.

If you understand wat i mean with the comment on the quote above this one you wil understand why i say this.

Where did I understand you wrong?

[CHE with an AK]

[tradeunionsupporter]

Too many reasons to list.

[Dzerzhinsky's Ghost]

Marx wrote a fairly lengthy piece called Das Kapital perhaps you could give that a look over for starters.

[The Man]

I think this thread stands to a testament of the utter inability of the majority of posters here to offer a concise, effective explanation of their views. I mean, "yer a fucking eejit" by post four? Not impressed, guys, not impressed at all.

I never called him a 'Fucking eejit' by post four. I respectfully said that he was unaware of what Communism truly is.

[Kornilios Sunshine]

Communism sent the first man to space Yuri Ghagarin.!

[Rooster]

To me, all of this guff about democracy and economic security are secondary. For me, communism is about the creation of a "whole man" as compared to the fragmentary being that is formed by capitalism. We've reached a point (and I'd argue that we reached that point at the Russian Revolution) were we can make that happen. But it requires the full democracy within and out-with of the work place to make this happen. This is pretty much why I'm a communist.

[ericksolvi]

After having met a very loud and annoying Communist. Who was absolutely sure of his beliefs yet provided little to no reason as to why they Communism was better then Capitalism, I ask you the members of Revleft to explain.

Why is Communism better then Capitalism?

The simple truth is Communism is not "better" than capitalism. If you read Marx you'll see that he believed Communism was the next logical step after capitalism. You see capitalism builds the vast industrial and economic apparatus, it harnesses peoples competitive natures, but it can't maintain itself indefinattely. Capitalism is like a shark that needs to constantly move forward to survive, it can never just stop and maintain a comfortable status quo. Communism is about maintaining the comforts of capitalism at it's best, without the competitiveness that characterises capitalism. Corporations which grew up seeking ever increasing profits, get their heads (the rich guys on top) lopped off and continue to exist only as a way to employ some people and provide goods/services to others, hoping only to brake even in the process. Other responses have told you that the state also needs to be eliminated, this is just foolish anarchist talk, the state in communist is a vast economic regulatory entity, ready to annex an aspect of the economy that fails to do it's job (paying its employees, providing what it's meant to provide, treating people fairly). When capitalism goes on too long without moving toward communism, it results in a boom/bust cycle, and state sponsored aggression towards other countries (because that becomes one way to keep the shark moving forward). I hope you have found this over long explanation helpful.

[ComradeOmar]

BECAUSE I FUKIN SAID SOO

[Rodrigo]

Absolutely not! We believe in the abolishment of the state! It's a common misconception that the USSR or China was "Communist", because having a Communist country is impossible.

Yes, they were communist. That's it! C-O-M-M-U-N-I-S-T

http://www.marxists.org/archive/leni...ev/ch05.htm#s3

Karl Marx wrote about a first phase of communism and a second phase of communism, not "socialism" and "communism" as if they were separate concepts.

This "there-were-no-communism" thing is fallacious; since you don't have arguments to destroy anticommunism towards these countries, you found a way to escape the criticizing: simply deny they were communist and your personal image will be safe!

[Rodrigo]

"Why is communism better?"

You should specify more, dude. Why is communism better... In education? In economics? In governance? In health? In security? In science? In democracy ("people's power")? In "freedom"? In "equality"? etc . . .

[Nox]

After having met a very loud and annoying Communist. Who was absolutely sure of his beliefs yet provided little to no reason as to why they Communism was better then Capitalism, I ask you the members of Revleft to explain.

Why is Communism better then Capitalism?

Take a look at the fucking awful state of the world and you'll see why.

[Agent Equality]

Yes, they were communist. That's it! C-O-M-M-U-N-I-S-T

http://www.marxists.org/archive/leni...ev/ch05.htm#s3

Karl Marx wrote about a first phase of communism and a second phase of communism, not "socialism" and "communism" as if they were separate concepts.

This "there-were-no-communism" thing is fallacious; since you don't have arguments to destroy anticommunism towards these countries, you found a way to escape the criticizing: simply deny they were communist and your personal image will be safe!

Oh silly maoists
you crack me up everytime!

[Rodrigo]

Oh silly maoists
you crack me up everytime!

Oh silly pseudo-Marxists with no arguments... My day is much happier with you!

[Blake's Baby]

Oh dear, you really don't understand.

Communism is a real thing. It is a classless communal society. It is also worldwide, because 'socialism in one country' is impossible.

The argument is not 'China wasn't communist, it was socialist'; the argument is 'China wasn't communist, because it wasn't a worldwide classless communal society'. Until capitalism is overthrown worldwide, and all states are abolished (including the Chinese state), and all classes are abolished (including the Chinese working class), then we won't have communism.

So the idea of a 'communist country' is completely meaningless.

[Baseball]

Oh dear, you really don't understand.

Communism is a real thing. It is a classless communal society. It is also worldwide, because 'socialism in one country' is impossible.

The argument is not 'China wasn't communist, it was socialist'; the argument is 'China wasn't communist, because it wasn't a worldwide classless communal society'. Until capitalism is overthrown worldwide, and all states are abolished (including the Chinese state), and all classes are abolished (including the Chinese working class), then we won't have communism.

So the idea of a 'communist country' is completely meaningless.

But the problem for the communist/socialist, whatever you wish to call yourself remains: Unless there is to be a simultaneous, world wide revolt, the communist/socialist community will have to function alongside a capitalist community. So they still have to be able to demonstrate why socialism is superior. Blaming the socialists in the capitalist community for failure of revolt seems counterproductive.
So those communities which have had their socialist/communist revolution are going to have to prove that theirs is the superior way. Complaining about this seems ridiculous, and quite frankly, rather arrogant. It is certainly not very 'democratic."

[Revolution starts with U]

I think your arguments have been getting much better the last few days Baseball. I agree that you are on to something. We socialists and communists should not run away from the USSR and China, and fall back on the "not socialist" excuse.
Yes, Stalin and Mao were one way of doing socialism, just like Bismark and Andrew Jackson were one day of doing capitalism. Most of us here support a more classical notion of socialism, some support a more leninist model.
It doesn't matter if you call the USSR socialist. I don't care, because it's not what I support. Just like you don't support the trail of tears (I hope).