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Pretty depressing I d say
The economy is an inch away from blowing up in the center of the world, and we havent seen a single text about it. Not as a presence on the social dialog, not as a presence on the unions, not even in Revleft. The president took the role of the people's hero. I guess the revolution is not even an option over there...
Are you talking about greece or the US? In the US there is a phony debt crisis with the political parties both using it as an excuse to gut social programs. The economic powers want to bring the economy down if they don't get their way.
But I don't see financial apocalypse. Do you?
I see something big, that at least should be analysed and discussed by the Left in the States. I havent seen a single text about it in here, and this I think makes it safe to say that the same state of apathy is in general in US society(about the Left opinion on the matter). If this is not a subject to do a struggle, what the fuck is? How you want to do a revolution when you are not present when shit like that go down?
are you saying we should be talking about how the banks are loaded with toxic debt? Are you asking for an in-depth discussion on the long term effects of the inevitable second financial crisis? I don get it, what's the issue here?
"oh noes they be takin mah surplus value" -Tim Finnegan
"'The' names reached a peak with The The and hence after were obsolete. " -Angry Young Man
"anyone seen blazin saddles? best fucking movie ever." - Red Spartan
If that wont be a problem on the very creative discussions on antispeciesm and Glenn Beck that take place every day in here, I think there might be an interest on this irrelevant thing called economic crisis...
thats life for you
Ok, I think that the conservative right will step up against globalization and give power back to local oligarchies. I think religion will see great growth, especially Islam, and that the Arab Spring will end with a series of new neoliberal regimes that hypocritically support international trade while the first world wallows in petty nationalism and racism. I think Mitt Romney will be America's next president, a kind of Reaganesque airhead who will let the CIA secretly re-enforce its reign of terror all around the world. I think China will seize the opportunity to increase its sphere of influence. I think Chavez won't make it past another election and that pretty soon we'll have a Cuban Tiannamen, which will be the undoing of the current regime, and the advent of capitalist reform.
Jeez, happy now?
"oh noes they be takin mah surplus value" -Tim Finnegan
"'The' names reached a peak with The The and hence after were obsolete. " -Angry Young Man
"anyone seen blazin saddles? best fucking movie ever." - Red Spartan
well excuuuse me, princess, but I though I'll talk about what you where *****ing about being ignored. Not that I consider myself perfect, but not pointing out why I'm so fucking stupid seems more than a little idiotic. Tell me, what will happen because of the coming crisis?
"oh noes they be takin mah surplus value" -Tim Finnegan
"'The' names reached a peak with The The and hence after were obsolete. " -Angry Young Man
"anyone seen blazin saddles? best fucking movie ever." - Red Spartan
I was pointing out that there havent been a single analysis by a party or an organisation from the States about the whole thing, or even a single topic about the thing that goes down with US economy. The fact that you think the whole issue is something irrelevant that we better troll about, shows a lot.
The U.S. "crises" is pretty much manufactured. Even if they miss the (self imposed) August 2nd deadline, there's no reason to believe anything major will happen. In fact, if you read the business press, a lot of investment banks are keeping large amounts of cash on hand to snatch up any U.S. debt that is dumped on August 2nd, because it will still be the safest investment in the entire world.
Likewise the U.S. won't actually default on August 2nd. The various government institutions have enough tricks to keep up with things for a while after.
As for what will pass: Either a simple extension, or an extension with some spending cuts (most of it being due anyway with lowered war footprints), that leave Social Security and Medicare pretty much untouched.
Obama almost succeeded and cutting into Social Security (again, he's already stolen from this pot), but the political will doesn't seem to be there. His party is putting self preservation first.
I don't think anything is going to happen, honestly.
But we will probably lose more ground as workers somehow.
And Americans still won't rise. That is depressing. That Americans think they're being "civil" for not protesting in droves for worker interests. They think what the Greeks are doing is barbaric.
I really don't know what it will take? Total destitution?
We really are the most successfully repressed nation in the world.
It is amazing how docile we sometimes are.
Not to sound pessimistic but I don't believe anything short of total societal and economic collapse will ever shake the American psyche into opening up its eyes.
I don't doubt that is probably what it will take but not before some turn to fascism.
I definitely believe we will have a complete societal collapse and then be promised into hope by some fascist supported by big executives and the people who support the tea party, thus causing him to come into power and starting some hyper-imperialist campaign like Nazi Germany except with no one to oppose him before we even think about considering socialism. That's how bad I feel about the political morale of Americans.
Damn. If only all Americans were as smart as you. Then, maybe, we could avoid such a global genocide...
"And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up." - Daniel 8:23
I think I know what the religious right would think.
Things are getting better for the left in the US compared to a year ago even. I have hope that the US won't fall (further) towards fascism, as we are frighteningly close to it, but not much that we'll get revolutionary. I think a return to a 60s level of radicalism is likely but not much beyond that. The radicalism would be profoundly different, and thus might be able to put in place some progressive reforms, which are better than nothing but galaxies from being something to settle for.
Not understanding your sarcasm.
