Results 1 to 20 of 20
US recognizes Libyan rebels as Libyan government
Source
Therefore the Rebels are the legitimate government now.
$30 billion eh? That's a small investment compared to the profits they will receive from Libyan oil
Wow. Does the US really even know who the rebels are and what they stand for? What their plans are? Or does the US just not care as long as it is not Gahdafi?
I hope the US doesn't act all shocked and appalled when these "friendly rebels" decide they don't like us any more.
They are the legitimate according to imperialists yes also im sure this will allow a lot more funding to tnc for peaceful uses like FN fals and ammo from Qatar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3Sg2lNk-n8&NR=1
I think that's a bit simplistic of an assessment. The US government/governments of Europe don't make money off of oil in these countries that they're bombing. Part of the project of Neoliberalism is to use state power to protect private investment. Hence how in Iraq we just saw Shell buy a lot of oil fields in Iraq. The cost to the US and UK governments was quite high, but for the private oil companies, profits are to be expected indeed.$30 billion eh? That's a small investment compared to the profits they will receive from Libyan oil
Then there are factors of "security" and power that come into play as well.
There are many conservative arguments that surfaced during the Iraq war about "well look how much it's costing us to be there, how could it be about making oil profit when the military cost outweighs that profit!" We need to be clear about these things I would argue.
I would imagine they have an idea by now.
It's the same sort of investments they make in Egypt and Saudi Arabia - they all end up buying American guns anyway.$30 billion eh? That's a small investment compared to the profits they will receive from Libyan oil
That isn't really important, what matters is these rebels will be inclined to offer their oil at a cheaper rate!
Yes, I do have a sailors mouth. Did it offend you? Then toughen up you pussy penis!
Do to Iseuls claims I am a Sexist, I added penis!
I dont like being a wage slave =
"Using negative rep as a weapon against other people just reveals your cowardly and reactionary nature."
--Iseul
"And once again, the old dictum is confirmed that the worst product of fascism was 'anti-fascism'."
-- Zanthorus
I wonder if the Libyan people accept the rebels as their government? Not that this matters, because after all, its America's country now.
I'm the Laird of the land, I'm hot like Pol Pot.'A true white liberal.' - Sword and Shield (on me)
'i am a communism fer a long years.' - twenty percent tip
FKA Mahmoud Ahmerdinnerjacket
SWAG
So basically, the people be damned if they do not view, (and probably do not) the rebels as the legitimate authority?
The French government was the first to declare the TNC the only legitimate authority, it was a matter of time before the rest of the Western world did, along with the Arab States.
Qatar was already involved in deals with the rebels in rebel controlled territories.
The rebel movement is officially an imperial lapdog. Now things will get ugly as funds will proceed to the rebel base for more weapons, which means this will escalate into a full blown civil war.
Makes sense that they would after hearing about that report on them dropping large cashes of weapons to the rebels.
You know, we get accused of being for the TNC for less than this annoying flailing about the would-be king of Africa being deposed. Also I'll note that they recognize the TNC as a temporary structure until an interim government can be established, which leads to more questions. Of course, with regime pawns being among the defectors, it wouldn't be too surprising if one of them was put in power (of course the irony of a former Qaddafi crony being put in power would hurt given how many on here are still wailing about how a billionaire fascist arab supremacist would be a leftist somehow - national bourgeoisie my ass) - on the other hand, this isn't what the US did in Iraq, preferring a somewhat more "subtle" way to establish economic imperialism without really imposing a puppet dictator.
They thought that about Fidel Castro right up until the point that he started implementing socialist policies.
Rebel movement /= July 26 Movement
Considering the fact that the majority of the so-called "Transitional Council" leadership are former Gaddafite officials, I am not too surprised that after the two decades of co-operation with West European imperialist powers they turned to serving the U.S. interests. There is no difference between serving the interests of transnational corporations under Gaddafi's clout and doing the same after having turned against him.
[FONT="Fixedsys"]History is not like some individual person which uses men to achieve its ends. History is nothing but the actions of men in pursuit of their ends. - Karl Marx.
Only sound common sense, respectable fellow that he is in the homely realm of his own four walls, has very wonderful adventures directly he ventures out into the wide world of research. - Friedrich Engels.
I am by heritage a Jew, by citizenship a Swiss, and by makeup a human being, and only a human being, without any special attachment to any state or national entity whatsoever. - Albert Einstein.[/FONT]
The leaders of the TNC who were once Gaddafi officials were the leaders in convincing the Gaddafi regime to neo-liberalize sectors of the economy during the late 80s, early 90s, which in turn is causing all the calamity amongst the population, not to mention the obvious tilt toward authoritarianism that comes with neo-liberalization.
The problem is that Gaddafi did not want to totally sell out all of Libya to foreign interests and the TNC leaders eventually turned on Gaddafi and are now full agents of the West.
I am sure that if we know this much, then the Libyan people surely do and therefore see less legitimacy in the TNC and the rebel movement.
People are decrying, (especially the new generation) the ravages of the neo-liberal reforms Gadaffi conceded to, not to mention the extravagent lifestyle of the family, the crumbling public sector, and autocratic control that comes with the territory.
The rebel movement is largely led by the growing class of pre-professionals, businessmen, former Gaddafi officials and petit-bougies. The ones doing the fighting are frustrated pre-professional college students angry at the remaining beuracracy that keeps them from making bank right off the bat, disgruntled workers that fell through the cracks due to neo-liberalization and religious zealots in the East who also compromise a huge portion of the former.
The rebel fighters are mostly college students who want to go work for investment banks, and are determined to throw off the 'oppression' against them? You really have drank the Kool-Ade.
Why do you assume Gaddhafi "conceded" to the reforms, rather than supported them, and simply was more cautious than some of his other hirelings, being afraid of initiating too rapidly dramatic reforms that might undermine his power? This smacks of "Great Man" history, where you believe a single man's 'will' has any substantial driving force in historical happening, or makes you an overt supporter of Bonapartism.
A small component are pre-professional college students, yes. Democracy Now! for one did some expose of the youth in the rebel movement and a lot were pre-professional college students. One medical students admitted to the rebel movement in his area that he joined as being largely composed of young people. The major protests he took a part of were at universities.
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/2...an_student_and
But at the same time, I am not saying that there is anything wrong with that. I am just pointing out what is happening over there. What is your gripe with me making note of this? Are you assuming that I am thinking that it's a bad thing and I am making all pre-professional college students out to be rebel whackos?
You make the case for what happened better than I did. Thank you. I am sure he didn't mind the reforms. Perhaps conceded wasn't a good enough word to denote how much of a damn fascist blood drinker he is, eh?
Unless Libyans are particularly precocious, 16 years old is not a college student.
So the guy says that he saw a 16 year old and therefore you had to chime in with this quip as a counter-argument? Cheap, bro. Cheap.
The denial of college students being a big component is akin to denying that college students were also a part of the other uprisings in Egypt and Tunisia.
Again, this isn't saying that I think of them as traitor scum. They're young and living through the neo-liberal reform's ravages and therefore think freedom from that is probably Western-style democracy, IDK, that is just my opinion of what is going on with them, I could be totally wrong though.
