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Well, gradual transitions are possible. It's not implausible to suggest that at some points, Red/Soviet repressions were contradictory in nature, striking both against those who, from a proletarian point of view, deserved to be striked at (in fact, even Stalinist repressions likely included a fraction of those types), but also started to include those who were not proletarian enemies.
The rupture happened, but it wasn't an overnight transformation. The genuine proletarian dictatorship degenerated slowly, I generally consider it to have completely transformed into something else entirely (from a degenerated workers state) sometime in the late 1920's. I don't condemn Stalinist terror, because it was terror, but because of the class interests it represented.
No. 2 wrongs dont make a right. May be a simplistic view of it bit thats how I look at it anyhow
if you dont live for something youll die for nothing
something inside so strong
In some cases where the crime was horribul beyond belief and no doubt of guilt like in the case of anders breivik adam lanza and david copeland
The death penalty does not exist in a vacuum. Communists cannot give the bourgeois state the mandate to execute anyone without the possibility that it may one day sentence us to death. Executions that are part a programme of proletarian revolutionary terror are by all means acceptable.
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The only freedom for the proletariat lies in its dictatorship.
I don't support the death penalty, at least in its current form. It seems like some people get the death penalty for a crime that someone else got life in prison for. I don't think that's fair. Also, in the US three quarters of the people executed had committed the crime of killing white people, while black people make up half of murder victims. There are plenty of people who have probably been executed who were innocent, and people who were executed who had a mental illness. And it seems like a disproportionate amount of executions take place in Texas.
These are just some facts I got from Amnestyusa.org. I don't know what the death penalty is like in other places that have it, but so far I don't support it. It is probably a simple way of looking at it but to me, it just doesn't seem right.
This has to do with laws being different depending on the which US state you are in.
And I don't think that's fair. You shouldn't get a different punishment than someone who lives in Maryland just because you live a few minutes from the border in Virginia. Anyway, the death penalty doesn't work and most countries seem to have outlawed it. Humans aren't perfect, and an innocent person could always be executed for a crime they didn't commit.
The same logic by which the capitalist state could kill you also subjects you to being killed even after capitalism ends. For instance, if this or that Leninist sect gains power, what is to stop them from rounding the rest of us up in their "programme of proletarian revolutionary terror"? Precisely this happened to other communists not only in the USSR but in virtually every other country where a "communist party" came to power.
百花齐放
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la luz
de un Rojo Amanecer
anuncia ya
la vida que vendrá.
-Quilapayun
If someone is so dangerous that he or she is killing other inmates and cannot work to pay his incarceration than yes...
I dont think it should be in the states hands because there shouldn't be a state. Instead if an individual feels wronged let them take the course of action they see fit. If they kill they may have to face the consequences of being killed or something else. Law and order should be in the hands of the individual.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed.-Étienne de La Boétie
I know people doin life in Angola pen down in LA thst strongly disagree. Not disagreeing with your points, just saying.
Love, Respect, and Strength.
If I'm at the wrong place at the wrong time, i get the death penalty.
If i say the wrong thing to the wrong person, i get the death penalty.
If i steal or cheat the wrong person i get the death penalty.
If I'm wearing the wrong colors iaround the wrong people i get the death penalty.
I disagree with state mandated death penalty, but honestly its the street mandated death penalty that worries me more. Until we reach a point where all humans can live in peace, both will be a problem. My two cents.
Love, Respect, and Strength.
A state that punishes the killing of a human being with prior intent to do so, cannot reasonably legitimize death penalty. That just doesn't work. But not only is it, as displayed, illogical, it is also highly immoral and fundamentally wrong. No institution or individual should, under any circumstances or presuppositions, possess the right to take another human being's life, and by that stripping this individual of his most basic human properties. The death penalty is a barbaric injustice to the individual concerned and an affront to any decent society involved. I despise the death penalty.
I'm also quite surprised that around 40% of the revleft-voters here, all which claim to be associated with leftwing ideals and politics, are actually in favor of or at least not fundamentally opposed to the death penalty. This is what I call a letdown.
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Slaves went along with it, women went along with it, oppressed people often go along with it. Until they—I mean, to learn that you are being oppressed, and you donʼt have to be, is hard.— Noam Chomsky
A person who constantly murders or rapes and has been proven of doing so for all to see deserves death. They are a few that have lost their rights as a person.
Death penalty is the most primitive form of revenge i can imagine.
So no, i don't support it.
Yes...in some cases I support the death penalty.
"As I would not want to be executed, so I would not want to be an executioner."
Studies abound showing that the cost of keeping someone in prison for life without parole is far cheaper than prosecuting the average death penalty case.
The way the death penalty is applied in this country is flawed and it should be done away with.
Even after the revolution the death penalty would be hard to justify...unless there were cases of "crimes against humanity" committed by the henchmen of the dying capitalist power structure.
For those of you who support rehabilitation, I would question what exactly you mean by this phrase.
If rehabilitation entails coercing persons to live by the dictates of your society, then one could make an argument for exile or the death penalty being potentially even more progressive.
Imagine a fascist society that doesn't believe in the death penalty, but rehabilitation. There, rehabilitation would entail learning to become a good fascist. The death penalty isn't inherently left or right wing. In some respects, the death penalty may be progressive, since it at least respects dissidents dignity, instead of subjecting them to "rehabilitation" in the form of psychic tortures or otherwise.
I don't come down on one side of this issues or the other, because I think the question is a loaded one.
The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
- Friedrich Nietzsche
"a million bureaucrats are diligently plotting death and some of them even know it"
- Thomas Pynchon
Poststructural Anarchist
Never acceptable, as far as I'm concerned. I'm very much opposed to killing people in any circumstances - murderer or not, I do not think it is right to take a human life. Besides, what purpose does the death penalty serve? It's hardly going to undo the crimes that this hypothetical criminal comitted, is it. Similarly, although I can't particularly quote from sources when I say this I believe I've read some things that suggest that the death penalty rarely serves to deter future offenders either.
