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Forgetting Threetune's sectarianism for a minute, he does have a point. This fuck up from the right wing of the establishment has the potential to be huge. Because they've alienated a part of their base, I mean you couldn't ask for a worse scenario for them hacking a murder victim's phone and dead soldiers families phones. Then you've got the police covering it up and probably people in government too. This has to raise class conciousness and distrust in the ruling class. We won't see much reaction from this now but shit like this is significant and it all adds up in the end.
[FONT=Verdana]Labour will try to rescue Cameron. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]The criminal gangs of press, police, and parliament are tonight struggling desperately to rescue themselves from total exposure and condemnation from the growing fury over the hideous capitalist made trafficking in human suffering between the Metropolitan Police and top journalists.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Andy Coulson[/FONT][FONT=Verdana], David Cameron's former director of communications is up to his neck in ‘News of the World’ sleaze and will be lucky not to be arrested soon, focusing more attention on his relationship with the Prime Minister and Cameron’s close friendship with [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]Rebekah Brooks , chief executive at Murdoch’s News International and his BSkyB takeover.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Entertaining as it is to speculate on which heads might role in all this, there’s no knowing the precise calculations being made by the political class and while [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]Ed Miliband is making threatening noises [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]in a broadside against the Cameron it is likely that he will work to save the establishment like a well mannered “loyal opposition” always should.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]Workers organizations on the other hand could step-up demands for bringing down the already hated coalition government for the criminal conspiracy against the working class that it is.[/FONT]
I thought they should focus on defending the Libyan regime?
"I want to say sweet, silly things." - V.I Lenin
[FONT=Verdana]For all the critics who say that the ‘left’ is revolutionary, here is the evidence that they don’t ever agitate for revolutionary Marxism-Leninism in their popular papers. [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]These snippets are the pathetic nearest this lot get this week to a revolutionary speech.[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]Can anyone else find anything revolutionary e[FONT=Verdana]lsewhere [/FONT]? [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][FONT=Verdana]As I said above, telling worker that they can” beat the cuts.” “[/FONT][FONT=Verdana]solve the economic crisis” or otherwise have ‘another big push’ increasing “combativity” to win the fight against cuts etc, is just a foul opportunist lie when revolutionary theory and preparations are what is needed now. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]“Come to the Socialist Party meetings this week and discuss where we go from here, the case for socialism and how we can build mass action to beat the cuts.” http://www.socialistpartyscotland.org.uk/news-a-analysis/uk-news/294-after-the-tuc-demo-build-a-24-hour-general-strike [/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]“That is why a crucial step towards solving the economic crisis would be to take the big corporations that dominate Britain's economy into democratic public ownership.” http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/articles/12343/06-07-2011/what-next-to-defeat-the-cuts[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]“…,there can be no revolution without a mass revolutionary party. And a couple of thousand members grouped in the SWP is not it. …” “…“But we should avoid leftist posturing, especially of the kind that is first and foremost about building the sect, (or party? Ed) not the actual combativity of the working class.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]http://www.cpgb.org.uk/article.php?article_id=1004466[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana]“These examples show up the government spin. And next time we can hit them even harder.” http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=25330[/FONT]
Edit: 12/07/2011 Should be this link not the one above.
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=25303
Last edited by Threetune; 12th July 2011 at 13:51.
Oh how lucky they are to have you then, master of revolutionary phrases.
"I want to say sweet, silly things." - V.I Lenin
[FONT=Verdana]As said above: “Labour will try to rescue Cameron.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana] Ed Miliband is making threatening noises [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]in a broadside against the Cameron it is likely that he will work to save the establishment like a well mannered “loyal opposition” always should.” [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]And this is j[FONT=Verdana]ust one reason why.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]"I know of a number of infringements of the law of which Mr Baldwin has been guilty but, for the purposes of this blog, I will limit consideration to the commissioning of a private detective to break into a bank account. This took place in 1999, when Mr Baldwin was a senior journalist at The Times, News International's flagship daily, a position he held until his appointment by Mr Miliband". Michael Ashcroft, a former deputy Conservative chairman.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana]http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/jul/08/tory-past-behaviour-tom-baldwin[/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]It beggars belief that 57 varieties of ‘radical left’ in Britain still run around at every election urging workers to vote Labor, but they do. Why? Because they have completely abandoned any revolutionary exposure of the degenerate democracy parliamentary racket. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Verdana]They are only too eager to print acres of attacks on any and every enemy of imperialism, demanding that governments be toppled and their leaders jailed or executed, but when it comes to agitating (even against an open goal like this NotW scandal) for revolutionary criticism they go all shy and even go out of the way to attack and attempt to silence anyone who raises question. [/FONT]
stop putting the word left between quotation marks, its annoying.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
You protest too much. The Socialist Party certainly does not back Labour. And yeah I could bring up quotes and links to prove you wrong but really, waste of time, it's already pretty apparent to anyone. But keep bringing out those revolutionary phrases, man.
"I want to say sweet, silly things." - V.I Lenin
When the other Leftists start helping us strive toward revolution in the manner that Lenin talks about in Threetune's quote, then we'll have something to "help each other" on. Sure, let's get together FOR SOCIALIST REVOLUTION. But to get together in a Popular Front and play liberal with the bourgeois liberals...no thanks.
Show us a Left consistently worthy of that name today, worthy of the respect of the workers and oppressed!
I hope someone is taking note of the users who posted on this thread in oppostion to what Threetune said here in this thread.
Why? Because when the heat is on in their own country's national election cycles, I want to know how many of these users will be saying something like "but we have to vote for Obama, or the Republicans will get the White House" (or some similar sellout Popular Front call for voting for "the lesser evil" in their own countries' political context). When they say that sort of thing, I hope it is clear why we CAN NOT 'get together' and help them.
Anarchists and Council communists are, like, totally liberals.
Judge them by their deeds.
Nobody here is supporting the social democrat, if that was the case, that person would be restricted.
the reason why there are so many inflamatory comment is beccause the only thing threetune do on this forum is posting endless quote of lenin without putting them in context, pointing out that the only true way is the way of lenin.
He is like a fucking randroid, but instead of spamming with atlas shrugged quote, he use lenin writting.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
Oh, I see it's not the message, merely the messenger (in this case threetune)?
Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it. (Marx: Theses on Fueurbach)
"To the bulk of the British "left", I say: The working class has again outpaced you, and your response was silence or condemnation. Your betrayal will be remembered for more than a generation." (Miles)
it's also the message, I'm amazed at how sectarian he is in the middle of the trolling.Oh, I see it's not the message, merely the messenger (in this case threetune)?
Banning a flaming troll =/= enthusiastically supporting the murder of hundreds of thousands of people, but yeah whatever.And we're the ones who always want to shoot people.
If you look at the Revleft entry on the 'trolling' page in Encyclopaedia Dramatica, you will find that Threetune darling is using all the correct trolling tactics.
If you were a struggling worker instead of some rich kid stuck behind his computer posting nonsense, you'd probably want to solve the economic crisis as well.
It's quite clear that you're:
a) a troll OR
b) your aim is to advance your own ideology's political power-grab agenda rather than accept that sometimes you have to compromise for the good of the working class.
After all, if you're not in Socialism to help empower the working class and improve their material lot, then you shouldn't be here.
So, quoting Lenin is trolling? Are you suggesting that Lenin is no longer acceptable on here?
Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it. (Marx: Theses on Fueurbach)
"To the bulk of the British "left", I say: The working class has again outpaced you, and your response was silence or condemnation. Your betrayal will be remembered for more than a generation." (Miles)
I sure as hell didn't, neither does the CWI. Stop strawmanning. Oh and I doubt threetune is much opposed to "Popular Fronts", quite the opposite it seems.
"I want to say sweet, silly things." - V.I Lenin
