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Speak for yourself, Gaddafi is a legend and the rebels are wankahs
Formerly zenga zenga !
And the National Front agrees.
brilliant materialist analysis
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The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
Clearly the masses of Iraqi people supported Saddam Hussein, then, as they were armed. It's an invalid argument.
Do you have actual facts to support that assertion?
Excluding the working class this is by and large true for Germany in the 1930s
Lied der Internationalen Brigaden'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJD0e...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-He0...eature=related
'extreme' is relative to some idea of a 'neutral center', which is almost always the dominant ideology or status quo. by placing yourself in this imaginary 'center' you are simply supporting the established order, and making yourself irrelevant as a human being. - Zenga Zenga
Popular? Yes. Democratic? No.
As for your first point, a state can be popular and still have segments of the population which are opposed to it. Popular support does not mean every single individual supports the regime.
Rather silly that the National Front would agree in relation to this as Gadaffi has historically been in opposition to imperialism and the National Front's political views. Not to mention, historically Gadaffi has been a key ally for those struggling against imperialism within the African continent; IE: Gaddafi ensuring that Burkina Faso would receive massive amounts of foreign aid without being forced into debt slavery and Gadaffi's historical support of anti-colonial struggles throughout the African continent; As well-- Gadaffi's massive support of those resisting Zionism in Palestine.And the National Front agrees.
Certainly more materialist than liberal supporting of NATO backed imperialist rebels that are similar in nature to the Contras.
I read an article about how those originaly arrested in the February protests' families were told to come and their families members would be released. Maybe its lies, i dno.
But anyway, i dont think this somehows means we should now see Gaddafi as a hero of the people. Millions of Americans watched Obama be elected, millions more watched and celebrated from their homes - but i dont suppose any of us support Obama. Nor does the fact that the citizens of Tripoli have guns mean much. Guns per 100 people in Libya is 15, while there are 88 in America (according to www.gunpolicy.org). Yet im sure no one would argue that the fact that Americans arent all turning their guns on Obama, means he is in anyway progressive. And this claim that the Libyan govt is giving out arms to everyone in Tripoli seems abit dubious. I have seen no evidence beyond simple claims - this doesnt prove they havnt, but the Gaddafi fans seem to have quite a tuff criteria when it comes ot judging "Western" reports out of Libya, so it would be only fair to do the same, right? I mean, the Libyan govt does have a fair bit of motivation to produce such propaganda.
Yeah well he had a meeting with Nick Griffin. he liked gaddafi's rejection of Marxism and Capitalism - u know, the mythical "Third Position". Wooha wooha
Not to mention, historically Gadaffi has been a key ally for those struggling against imperialism within the African continent; IE: Gaddafi ensuring that Burkina Faso would receive massive amounts of foreign aid without being forced into debt slavery and Gadaffi's historical support of anti-colonial struggles throughout the African continent; As well-- Gadaffi's massive support of those resisting Zionism in Palestine.
lalalalala like punishing palestinians in Libya for when the PLO entered talks with Israel. Not saying PLO right or wrong, just that i dont think some palestinians in exile in libya re to blame. Do you?
or support the war on terror?
or help prevent africans fleeing the horrors caused by colonialism from entering europe because, trying to keep it cracker only.
Gaddafi's "anti-imperialist" record is all over the place. some good stuff, some crazy stuff. like supporting a bunch of gangsters in chicago to try and blow up the sewers - wtf lol.
U SILLY DICKHEAD TELL WHO SINCE THE REACTIONARY NATURE OF THE REBELS SUPPORTS THEM?
I'm expected to explain away the contradictions of fascist third-positionism now, am I? Why not one of its open sympathisers, of which this thread has plenty?Rather silly that the National Front would agree in relation to this as Gadaffi has historically been in opposition to imperialism and the National Front's political views. Not to mention, historically Gadaffi has been a key ally for those struggling against imperialism within the African continent; IE: Gaddafi ensuring that Burkina Faso would receive massive amounts of foreign aid without being forced into debt slavery and Gadaffi's historical support of anti-colonial struggles throughout the African continent; As well-- Gadaffi's massive support of those resisting Zionism in Palestine.
Y'know, I saw a documentary, the other night, about the Khmer Rouge, and a former Khmer Rouge leader was claiming that Saddam Hussein was a "patriot" who had been "betrayed", or something to that effect, and I couldn't help but recall our local Gaddafite crowd. Fascist sympathies are apparently a bred-in to some supposedly "Marxist" tendencies...
'Yeah well he had a meeting with Nick Griffin. he liked gaddafi's rejection of Marxism and Capitalism - u know, the mythical "Third Position". Wooha wooh'
As said, Fascists of this nature are rather silly.
'just that i dont think some palestinians in exile in libya re to blame. Do you?'
Nor do I, I was referring to the material support that Gadaffi had previously provided to Palestinians that were struggling against Zionism as opposed to him having had deported Palestinian migrants. (Which is rather silly to begin with and should be opposed)
'or support the war on terror?'
Out of opportunism as Gadaffi's Libya has historically had issues with Islamic militants.
'or help prevent africans fleeing the horrors caused by colonialism from entering europe because, trying to keep it cracker only. '
'some good stuff'
Indeed.
'some crazy stuff. like supporting a bunch of gangsters in chicago to try and blow up the sewers '
At least now the pro-rebel dolts can stop saying that everyone is behind the rebels or that the "Libyan people" as a whole "asked us to help," whatever the flying fuck that racist shit means. It's not like the rebels=6 million people, or the Arab League and its dictatorial U.S.-supported governments.
But sorry, I'm not pro-Gaddafi. NATO, the rebels and Gaddafi can all suck it.
I'm still puzzled as to who we're actually talking about when we say things like this.
I make my points concisely, doesn't make them any less correct.
I don't see the point in explaining things again and again.
Formerly zenga zenga !
Unless of course you have a more accurate barometer for determining the relative size of the support bases for each side of this conflict? Comparing Gaddafi to Hitler is ridiculous beyond belief. Hitler was the imperialist aggressor while Libya is the victim of imperialist aggression. So under these conditions people are forced to make a decision on which side they feel better serves their material interests - nationalist capitalism or client state capitalism? Sure we can talk about how they should be organising on class lines but that's a decision Libyans have to make.Why are Stalinists always so eager to point to fascistoid spectacles as proof of a regime's popular support, rather than to any sort of actual democratic content in the governmental model that would allow it to be expressed organically? Is it because- and stop me if I'm being crazy here- because there isn't any, so these Hiterlite mass-wankathons are all they have?
"Machinery in itself is a victory of man over the forces of nature, but in the hands of capital it makes man the slave of those forces" - Uncle Karl
Charismatic dictator? Check. Racial supremacist? Check. Pseudo-"third position" economic policy? Check. Poorly written screed elevated to Biblical status for no good reason? Check. Terrible sense of dress? Check.
I don't know, it's measuring up pretty well so far.
whoa whoa WOAH hold it right there.
Are we talking about the same Muammer al-Gaddafi !?!?
Formerly zenga zenga !
Gaddafi has actually been quite arbitrary in the groups he has supported. He backed Leftists like the Sandanistas and the leader of Burkina Faso, but he has supported some very odious and brutal movements as well, including the forebearers of the Sudanese Janjaweed. Other movements he backed included ones like the Liberian movement that put Charles Taylor into power. So it shouldn't be surprising that he'd also back the National Front.Rather silly that the National Front would agree in relation to this as Gadaffi has historically been in opposition to imperialism and the National Front's political views. Not to mention, historically Gadaffi has been a key ally for those struggling against imperialism within the African continent; IE: Gaddafi ensuring that Burkina Faso would receive massive amounts of foreign aid without being forced into debt slavery and Gadaffi's historical support of anti-colonial struggles throughout the African continent; As well-- Gadaffi's massive support of those resisting Zionism in Palestine.
Check out this thing called "form and content" because this crap just exposes your political immaturity. How is Gaddafi a racial supremacist, let alone a racial supremacist on the same level as Hitler?Charismatic dictator? Check. Racial supremacist? Check. Pseudo-"third position" economic policy? Check. Poorly written screed elevated to Biblical status for no good reason? Check. Terrible sense of dress? Check.
I don't know, it's measuring up pretty well so far.
"Machinery in itself is a victory of man over the forces of nature, but in the hands of capital it makes man the slave of those forces" - Uncle Karl
COMMUNISM !
