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White Supremacist Sexism
If you peruse Scumfront, you'll find that many female posters there are angry about disrespect and sexist sentiments expressed by their male counterparts.
The forum name has been word-filtered again, but just search for these quotes in Google or something.
[Note first that even the description of the womens' forum ("Sugar and spice, and everything nice") is condescending and patronizing.0
"I'm going to say what I always say. The general attitude toward, and about women, is going to have to change."
"I do believe that the disrespect for women in some of these forums is appalling. Discouraging those misogynist views would go a long way in attracting more women to Stormfront. I cannot believe some of the gross generalizations and blatant lies men post on some of these threads (I'm sure you all know what I mean). I have never had one directed at me personally, but just reading those types of posts has made me seriously contemplate leaving SF. People who post really insulting comments towards women should be reprimanded by the moderators and administrators. There should be zero tolerance for that kind of behaviour."
"Also agree that the negative attitude toward and about women has to change. While I know that there are many men in the movement who have positive views towards women, there are also many men who are quite vocal in their holier-than-thou attitude when it comes to male-female relations in WN and even outside of the movement."
"I agree... it's not universal and not even that common, but I've still seen much too much negative sentiment around... I don't know if the thread posters realize what they're doing when they make sweeping general statements about 'female control and domination conspiracies' and all that..."
It's kind of funny that these women would be so surprised and find it so puzzling that white men who seek out a movement based on preserving their institutional power and privilege should be hostile to women. Do they really not see a relationship between racism and sexism, and the psychological traits of the white men who might want to be involved in white supremacist movements?
[FONT=Verdana]The Anarchists never have claimed that liberty will bring perfection; they simply say that its results are vastly preferable to those that follow authority. -Benjamin Tucker[/FONT]
dutch afa magazine Alert published an worthwhile article about women in the extreme right: http://afa.home.xs4all.nl/alert/3_12/vrouwen.html maybe you can read it with google translate
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
I always thought that it was Odd that Fascist groups could attract Women anyway ..considering Rampant Sexism has been one of their main characteristics since their inital formation in the 1920s.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJD0e...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-He0...eature=related
'extreme' is relative to some idea of a 'neutral center', which is almost always the dominant ideology or status quo. by placing yourself in this imaginary 'center' you are simply supporting the established order, and making yourself irrelevant as a human being. - Zenga Zenga
I always wondered that myself. Well hopefully the ones who disagree with it will turn from that idiotic ideology in all it's bigoted shitness.
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I suppose it depends on the context in question. In Italy, for example, the case was somewhat more subtle, as Mussolini was inclined to utilize pro-female suffrage rhetoric from time to time. Of course (as is the case with all fascistic emphasis on social policy), the state pursued nothing to those particular ends and traditional sexual relations were preserved. (That should not be particularly surprising though, given the time period in which fascism emerged. Acute sexism was an integral aspect to all bourgeois systems at that point.)
The neo-fascist position on this subject merely underscores their overall anachronistic character. Apart from the name, very little about 'neo-fascism' is new. The only distinguishing features I can see are more of an inclination to humor libertarian-capitalist theories and somewhat less emphasis on traditional nationalism. (A more pan-European-style racism tends to be more popular because of the heterogeneous character of many contemporary Western countries).
Insofar as female neo-fascists are concerned, I think there is a pretty significant paradox at play. (This may be why so many of them appear discontent with the fascistic rhetoric they encounter on the question.) Many of them do not appear to conform to the image of the passive kitchen-dweller, aloof from political questions. Many seem to engage in reactionary activism alongside their male counterparts, etc. (Certainly, I see a general difference between most female fascists and Evangelical women.)
"The slave frees himself when, of all the relations of private property, he abolishes only the relation of slavery and thereby becomes a proletarian; the proletarian can free himself only by abolishing private property in general."
-Friedrich Engels
Regardless of how much these women contribute to their "movement", reactionary assholes don't care, there still just kitchen slaves to them. I don't know why those women are so ignorant to the sexism that those men obviously carry.
One night my friends and I got hammered drunk and i ended up throwing a molotov cocktail at a police car. It was the most liberating feeling i've ever had in my life.
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I've always wondered about female Racists and fascists.
Why do they support these groups, are they really into hate and female oppression?
Are they just there because of their boyfriend/husband/lover?
If the above is true them clearly they aren't as bad as the real fascistsand what do we do with them? We can just beat them half dead like the real fascists.
How do we tell between the real racists and thoose who are pressured into joining such groups (i.e. by family, spouse, etc.)?
But more on topic...
Perhaps we should try to "convert" women to feminism and the left by cleary laying out why Nazism/Fascism will always oppress them. I assume most right-wingers are selfish so if we lay out why the right oppresses women (which would be them) then maybe they will leave.
Note: Hope I didn't offend anyone. I may of come across as sexist but I will explain in better detail in a thread I might make about Fascist/Nazi women.
Last edited by Luc; 24th July 2011 at 23:17. Reason: inserting word: "by"
I am not a woman but if I were I think I'd find the above offensive. Though I realize you didn't mean that.I've always wondered about female Racists and fascists.
Why do they support these groups, are they really into hate and female oppression?
Are they just there because of their boyfriend/husband/lover?
If the above is true them clearly they aren't as bad as the real fascists
How do we tell between the real racists and thoose who are pressured into joining such groups (i.e. by family, spouse, etc.)?
What drives men to become racists and fascists may as well drive women, don't you think? It's not simply that opinions are formed rationally, they are formed through the social and economical condition of the person and the experiences they go through.
An ideology has many aspects, and parts of it may resonate extremely strongly with an individual or a group, while others may not. However, a forum for the ideology itself will discuss all aspects. Which is where there can be expressions of internal conflict. Just like there is a non-expressed internal conflict in the individual who disagrees with a certain aspect but not the rest.
You are correct. I'm putting too much emphasis on the small aspect of these ideaologies.
Thank you very much for understanding I meant no offence. I once again would like to apologize to anyone who would take offence; I still have the sexist birth marks of the old society like women are good etc. and men are bad
also, I should probably not create that thread
note: I don't mean to rip off Marx's words; just using the words to make a reference
Last edited by Luc; 25th July 2011 at 04:08. Reason: reference
Anyone else find it hilarious how they complain about Women controlling Men conspiracy theories while they are propagating Jews control Everyone conspiracy theories? Maybe it was just me.
More evidence that nationalism and the like are mental illnesses.
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Please bring my machine.
I'm actually not surprised at all. Out of all the people I know that are virulently anti-feminist, a large number, if not a majority, are women. Stratification and subjugation often leads to a shift in how one perceives themselves, and that perception becomes internalized. That's not to say that all women are perfectly happy with their lives, it's just that the causes of their discontent aren't necessarily recognized as such due to the fact that sexism exists in so many forms from the blatantly overt to the incredibly subtle and permeates through every aspect of our lives from the moment we're born. Just because you know there's a problem doesn't mean you identify the cause.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
Why the hell are those women fascists if by supporting that ideology they are supporting the discrimination of themself...
It's like a Jew supporting the Nazi party of Germany back in the early 1900's...
Why is every worker not a socialist?
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
I don't know what you mean by that...
The women of Stormfront have their own sub-forum, where males are not supposed to post. Some are also feminists and/or have a positive view of feminism.
By supporting capitalism, workers are only furthering their own subjugation. What I meant by that was if you switch "women" and "fascist" with "workers" and "capitalism", it seems a lot less absurd. Capitalism is so entrenched and omnipresent that nobody would think it remotely unusual for a worker to support it or even work to further it, in spite of the fact that they're the ones most harmed by it. Sexism's the same.
Sorry, that first post came off a little pretentious and convoluted.
You seem neat, but...
They divide us by our color, they divide us by our tongue,
They divide us men and women, they divide us old and young,
But they'll tremble at our voices when they hear these verses sung,
For the Union makes us strong!
The people on Stormfront and other nationalists say the same thing for our ideologies.
While this is a powerful statement, it's partially untrue. Remember that people are products of their environments.
It's sad, I bet a lot of these people on Stormfront are only there because they see no other solution to the fault of their respective governments other than purging minorities and the supremacy of their culture and they have fallen to propaganda because there is no revolutionary movement or thought in their area. Or maybe they grew up with racist parents and nationalism and other prejudices are an inherent part of their thought because of how they have been raised.
It's not just a case of saying "they're all insane/ignorant/retarded/stupid", though I don't think everyone on Stormfront or all those who subscribe to some fascist/nationalist ideology may be the sharpest knives in the drawer, smart and sane fascists exist. But they are just confused products of their material conditions.
Don't be irrational like they are.
"As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents." - George Orwell
“Being a Humanist means trying to behave decently without expectation of rewards or punishment after you are dead.” - Kurt Vonnegut
"I am confident that, in the end, common sense and justice will prevail. I'm an optimist, brought up on the belief that if you wait to the end of the story, you get to see the good people live happily ever after." - Cat Stevens
The difference is that the workers who support Capitalism are brainwashed.
Those women know exactly what they're supporting.
Do they really?
"As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents." - George Orwell
“Being a Humanist means trying to behave decently without expectation of rewards or punishment after you are dead.” - Kurt Vonnegut
"I am confident that, in the end, common sense and justice will prevail. I'm an optimist, brought up on the belief that if you wait to the end of the story, you get to see the good people live happily ever after." - Cat Stevens
