Gay Pride Makes No Sense

[tachosomoza]

You should be banned, and I'm not just talking about being banned from revleft

Maybe you should call up your namesake and ask him what to do.

[ZrianKobani]

Gay Pride these days is a tragedy; what used to be a tribute to Stonewall and a rally for our rights has become an excuse to get drunk, dress crazy, and call anyone who feels uncomfortable a homophobe. I've been once, never again.

[genstrike]

Also I think, that population would not be supportive of heterosexual parade either.

First off, because of straight privilege, every day is straight pride day. Just listen to the radio. How many songs do you hear that are directly or indirectly about fucking? Now, how many of them are about non-heteronormative fucking (No, Katy Perry's "I kissed a girl" doesn't count)?

Also, a straight pride parade would be boring as fuck.

[Aspiring Humanist]

White pride = promotion of white privilege
Gay pride = promotion of human rights
deal wit it

[ZrianKobani]

White pride = promotion of white privilege
Gay pride = promotion of human rights
deal wit it

But shouldn't pride be reserved for accomplishments? Being born an American and being born gay weren't hard, they just happened. Learning to do a kick-flip, that required a heck of a lot more effort and I'm way more proud of it.

[agnixie]

But shouldn't pride be reserved for accomplishments? Being born an American and being born gay weren't hard, they just happened. Learning to do a kick-flip, that required a heck of a lot more effort and I'm way more proud of it.

Cool story, bro. There are still fights, still small victories to celebrate, and there are people who actually do shit about it on top of learning acrobatics. Oh, and I'd say being able to go out and dress crazy in the streets without getting arrested for it is one hell of a victory, too.

[-marx-]

(To OP)

For me personally it's not about any pride whatsoever. It's just about not giving a fuck what you or anyone else thinks of my sexual actions. Its a show of rebellion against homophobia like "yeah, you think there's something wrong with us? FUCK YOU AND YOUR OPINION!".

[ZrianKobani]

(To OP)

For me personally it's not about any pride whatsoever. It's just about not giving a fuck what you or anyone else thinks of my sexual actions. Its a show of rebellion against homophobia like "yeah, you think there's something wrong with us? FUCK YOU AND YOUR OPINION!".

But if we don't care then there's really no point in giving the finger to those who are against us. Better to just ignore them and rob them the joy of having something to point at as proof of our so-called "deficiencies".

[ZrianKobani]

Oh, and I'd say being able to go out and dress crazy in the streets without getting arrested for it is one hell of a victory, too.

I wasn't aware fashion was a part of human rights.

[Hebrew Hammer]

I think 'gay pride' is about equality and the demand for equal rights under the law, while also being proud of whom they are instead of feeling like they are some 'freak of nature' whose natural inclinations separate them from the rest of society and that they need to be 'cured.' It's no different than women feeling proud or empowered or black pride and black empowerment. After centuries and decades of being oppressed people generally like to shake that shit off and feel good about themselves and who they are and have a certain sense of pride in themselves. Why white, heterosexual, etc. people can't get this confuses me. Neither gay pride, black pride, etc. could be compared to what is commonly known as the 'white pride' movement, which is usually just some PC way of saying 'white power.'

[danyboy27]

I dont think nobody would be outraged of an heterosexual parade.

[Tim Finnegan]

But shouldn't pride be reserved for accomplishments? Being born an American and being born gay weren't hard, they just happened. Learning to do a kick-flip, that required a heck of a lot more effort and I'm way more proud of it.

Pretty sure that coming out of the closet is usually harder than learning to do a kick-flip.

[JustMovement]

Beyond the obviously paramount political aspects, am I the only one that enjoys a good parade? I think they are fun (OK in places where you can have them safely and without thousands of fascists attacking you). Also I dont think celebrating ones sexuality is wrong and I would hope that they would continue after any revolution and not just stopped because the "objective" is complete.

[Hebrew Hammer]

I dont think nobody would be outraged of an heterosexual parade.

Mardi gras?

[Sir Comradical]

Don't be silly. If you're gay and you grow up in a homophobic society, chances are you're at greater risk of suffering depression and committing suicide. In this context there's nothing wrong with gay pride.

[danyboy27]

Mardi gras?

haha that pretty much how i would see it.

[Principia Ethica]

I'm a bit apprehensive about posting this because I'm new and I'm not quite sure of the "dynamics" here. . .and I also fear that I'm risking getting "restricted." But here goes.

I do not believe the OP is right. . .in any sort of way. But I see people calling for him to get banned and I honestly think that it would be a lost opportunity to maybe show him how he is misguided. I don't get a homophobe vibe from him. I see his view as WAY misguided but I think in his mind he is being "helpful."

Just like in the black civil rights era, (black) people were divided on how they should proceed as well. Civil disobedience? By any means necessary?

I think what he is trying to say is that they should go about trying to get their equal status by working within the framework of heterosexual society and not upsetting or offending them (Which I do not agree with him.)

I think he needs to be shown that an oppressed group has the right to determine which path they should take to gain equality. Not just banning him and leaving him without any sort of enlightenment and a bitter taste in his mouth.

[ZrianKobani]

Pretty sure that coming out of the closet is usually harder than learning to do a kick-flip.

That it is: it's nerve-racking; you never know how the person you're telling will take it; and once they know, you can never take it back.

That said, I wasn't talking about coming out.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

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[ZrianKobani]

I think he needs to be shown that an oppressed group has the right to determine which path they should take to gain equality. Not just banning him and leaving him without any sort of enlightenment and a bitter taste in his mouth.

Even if that path isn't working? The LGBT mainstream has allied itself with the Democrats too much and neglected what's vital: political and economic control on the community level.

The OP makes a very good point in his concern that we're alienating our straight counterparts, I believe that we are; they don't respect us and until they do, we'll never be seen as or treated as equals.

Quoting Malcolm X,

As long as you're running around here wearing the white man's name, bragging about you one of the Joneses, or one of the Browns, or one of the Smiths, or as long as you're running around here bragging about your part in this so called American democracy, then you will always be looked down upon as a chump by the white man, you'll never be given recognition nor respect, your problem will continue to go unsolved, and you will still be in the same rut or ditch a 1000 yrs from now.

We need respect and recognition and only then will we have our rights.