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Havet, I fully guarantee he was "fucking kidding" you.
“How in the hell could a man enjoy being awakened at 6:30 a.m. by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, shit, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?” Charles Bukowski, Factotum
"In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, as 'right-to-work.' It provides no 'rights' and no 'works.' Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom of collective bargaining... We demand this fraud be stopped." MLK
-fka Redbrother
Nope, there's really gay gangs who deal drugs to make money to attack straight couples' weddings in organized groups, armed with SMGs, hand grenades, pepper spray, and automatic pistols. Of course, the commynist controlled media won't allow that to be disclosed.
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ˆˆThis post is pure brilliance....and illustrates perfectly what has been argued in the thread in just one small paragraph!
I agree with Havet (topic creator) although,
Even if I'm Leftist, i have my own opinion toward parades.
Regarding "Pride-Parades" as those so called protesters are nonsense, they spark more outrage, rage, with their sexual performance's on stage and with outgoing fashion during daylight. They do more damage with it then good, and i don't know if they are realizing that.
From RightWinger perspective, they hate homosexuals because they think its some kind of "fashion" being homosexual, some agree that homos. are born, but born homosexuals are minority in their opinion, in their opinion more of them chose to be so, (i think that they secretly know-think that every man has a little bit of girl inside him, so that every man likes man deep deep down somewhere) so parades and mass media coverage increased likelihood of being homosexual. In their logic also means that "pride parades" and any other means of mass media appearance (we all know its powers, they are aware of it too) will boost homosexuality, so nation population=>birth rate will be decreased and so nation power-manpower will decrease. Therefore its nation in danger, and they feel obligated to stop any "pride parades" and smash some skulls.
I understand them, if i put myself in their shoes (look from their perspective). And we as leftis should understand that, and not go ballistic when they crack some skulls ("ooo they are psychos etc".) no they are not, they have their own Ideology, and we have Our own ideology in contrast with Capitalist (in Che words) who does not know any boundaries (nor political or ideological), and their only interest is Money. Nationalist have their own Right-Wing goals (strong nation and etc.) and we have our own, Internationalist point of view and goal.
My point is, that We must not blindly stand in homosexual defense and say, we support "pride parade" just because Right Wingers hate LGBT.
I, and i hope We leftist support homosexual fight for their equal rights in society and acceptance, but they should change their strategy, because this strategy does not bring them any closer to the equal rights, more like less rights and less acceptance (because sexual performances)...
Instead they should vote for Leftis parties which offer laws in benefit of homosexual.
But there is one tiny problem, they are humans like any of us, and they see think differently, and there are humans-homosexuals who are nationals or national socialist (i know one) and there are majority of homosexuals who are because of different factors Liberal Capitalist and don't agree with Socialism and Planned economy or Communism, they believe in Libera and almighty free market economy.
So lets be frank, why should we care if someone cracks their skull ? (DURING PRIDE PARADE)*
//off topic: Havet why (were) are you restricted, whats your crime ? My is sexism...
back on topic:
/* Please rep me if you like and agree with my post or derep me if you like or don't like my post
-I'm not homphobe, I'm not afraid nor i don't hate homosexuals, i respect them as human beings and support them for their fight for Equal Rights, but i don't support Parades!!!
-My intention was not to offend, if you think that i did offend you, please accept my apologize, even if i think there was no such sentence.
-Almighty Admin, if I offended you on personal level, and your opinion is that I'm indeed homophobe (like you were offended in my 2nd post and i got restricted due sexism) please forgive my ignorance, We live in capitalist society, which influences our life really a lot. */
Last edited by Valdemar; 22nd June 2011 at 18:57. Reason: to make myself clear added *DURING PARADE
“If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.”
Well, the OP had his answer, and the OP agree that there is a reason why gay pride make sense.
Case closed.
lets lock this thread and do something more productive!
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
i think valdemar your reason of being restricted are now irelevant, you wont survive the last post you made. We ban people demonstrating homophobia here.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
Did you read it all ? You kidding me ? Where was i Homophob ? You serious ?
“If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.”
here:
[QUOTE=Valdemar;2151648]
Regarding "Pride-Parades" as those so called protesters are nonsense, they spark more outrage, rage, with their sexual performance's on stage and with outgoing fashion during daylight. They do more damage with it then good, and i don't know if they are realizing that.
/QUOTE]
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
[QUOTE=danyboy25;2151652]here:
What is homophobic ? They spark rage among population who are not used to such things daily, isn't that true ? Sexual performances, they kiss and spank and do threesome on stage, i see problem if straight people would do that and show pride like that (do i hate now straitgt people too ?). Public is outraged and thefore against laws which give equality LGBT community, so its counter productive.
Who is OP ? And i have give reason why does not make sense, so thread, so it seems is not closed.
I think i've offended you on personal level because of my dissagreement with you about parade, in my opinion is counter productive and not bringing any social changes, in contrast they make it worse.
“If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.”
good, people who are outraged by displays of human sexuality and dignity deserve it.
except its a crap ideology and they are bashing the fucking skulls of people who are fighting for dignity as human beings. as leftists i don't think its rocket science where we stand. certainly not with people who want to defend their nation and bash fucking people in the street. jesus christ
yeah you really sound like someone with an authoritative grasp on what strategies people should adoptI, and i hope We leftist support homosexual fight for their equal rights in society and acceptance, but they should change their strategy, because this strategy does not bring them any closer to the equal rights, more like less rights and less acceptance (because sexual performances)...
Instead they should vote for Leftis parties which offer laws in benefit of homosexual.
youre fucked up bro
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'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
Valdemar's style gives me a headache.
My machine my machine,
Please bring my machine.
Some of the displays I don't like. But I don't like them either when done by hetrosexuals. Unfortunately THAT is the norm and one which is being pushed down our thoats by the media in this country and by corperate and merketing sexualisation of society. So if hetrosexuals are allowed to do that with little or no outrage I do not see any reason why gay people should not be allowed to do exactly the same.
The reason people get pissed off though is, in general, not the outrage o ver openly sexualised behaviour. But openly sexualised behaviour by gay people. And that is a clear indication why such parades and shows are needed.
We are bombarded daily with music video's glorifying hetrosexual sexual behaviour. Women are supposed to act like the willing sex objects and men need to be macho studs. We are daily being shown thousands upon thousands of images with women wearing very revealing clothing and men behaving like entitled pricks who need to get as much pussy to count.
We have commercials, image advertisings, magazines and the whole range of programs about sex, containing sex and explicitly or implicitly glorifying hetro sex. Not to mention the whole scala of religious nuts who condemn anything and everything that is not hetro sexual on a daily basis.
Outrage over some pride parade is silly, its bordering hysterics and it is, above all, hypocritical to the core...
You may be right that some of the display is perhaps over a line. But your conclusion about that is false....its an illustration of everything I said above.
WHAT.THE.FUCK??? Are you serious?
Because one of our goals is stopping these fucktards from bashing and cracking "some skulls" because of their insane biggotry. I do understand them....and that understanding says they need to be fought tooth and nail before they get the upper hand in society.
We support pride parades because we are supporting a gender free society. And we protect that from fucktard who want to press people into specific gender roles, who want to hurt people because they do not belong to that specific gender role and because they are an oppressed group of people.
riiight. And...what if they are not socialist? I think they should be...but I don't think the struggle ends with socialist gay rights. Nor do I think socialist parties necessarilly hav gay rights in high standards. Some countries even socialists frown upon gays. That needs to be battles just as much.I, and i hope We leftist support homosexual fight for their equal rights in society and acceptance, but they should change their strategy, because this strategy does not bring them any closer to the equal rights, more like less rights and less acceptance (because sexual performances)...
Instead they should vote for Leftis parties which offer laws in benefit of homosexual.
Yes we should care if it is because they are gay. Even a gay nazi has the right to be gay....and should not be discriminated against or beaten for being gay. Its not a support which states we only support gay people of the right political ideology. We support gay peoples rights period.
And then who ever is left a NAZI...we kick their ass. NOT because they are gay or hetrosexual....but because they are NAZI.
Get the difference?
I don't think you are a homophobe....I think you are thoroughly misguided and draw the wrong conclusions.
minority populations standing up for their humanity have always sparked outrage whether it is a gay pride parade or black kids attending a white school or women trying to vote. unfortunately many of our species are offended by equality and dignity for all, but this is even more reason to rub their faces in it and fight until they are forced to get over it
'heavens above, how awful it is to live outside the law - one is always expecting what one rightly deserves.'
petronius, the satyricon
[QUOTE=Valdemar;2151658]people are not enraged by it, you on the other hand, might be.
WHY kléber, WHY!!!!!!!
Before I comment on the rest of this, I'd you to note that you're talking about "parades." That's right - parades. Not militias, not armies, not warfare, not starvation... parades.
You are not the final arbiter of who does more damage than good - in fact, you are far from it. Furthermore, your generalization of the LGBTQ community and patronizing tone ("i don't know if they are realizing that") is very sad.
The fact of the matter is that gay pride parades are merely the celebratory public arm of a long and extensive campaign to achieve equal rights. These parades help garner money for the cause and raise awareness - whether or not this awareness is support, it is still awareness.
No offense, but you clearly have absolutely no idea why right-wingers hate homosexuality.
In the first place, gay pride parades serve to "out" the gay community into the public sphere of attention. This is done because the primary tactic of socio-political normalizing is to marginalize and exclude minority groups from the public sphere of attention. By having a big parade with naked people and balloons, it makes it very difficult to be silenced.
In the second place, right-wingers don't hate homosexuals for whatever weird reason you discovered through your own warped analysis of what you see. All this talk about "man-power" whatever reminds me of Dr. Strangelove. That was a satire, and your above quote reads like one as well.
Right-wingers are homophobic. In short, they are afraid of homosexuals because homosexuality challenges the normal dogma of heterosexuality - a dogma which they believe themselves to be an upstanding part of. This fear is not to be coddled due to suggestive political advances which could be made by pretending that certain people don't feel the way they do about the same sex.
We don't. We support the LGBTQ community in whatever they choose to do in their efforts to achieve equal rights and representation.
Why don't you stop telling the LGBTQ community what you think they should do? Don't you think that, maybe, they have a better understanding of the challenges which face them?I, and i hope We leftist support homosexual fight for their equal rights in society and acceptance, but they should change their strategy, because this strategy does not bring them any closer to the equal rights, more like less rights and less acceptance (because sexual performances)...
Instead they should vote for Leftis parties which offer laws in benefit of homosexual.
What?
Are you saying that it's cool to beat up gay people who aren't leftists?
No, you aren't an outright homophobe but you do have quite a bit of latent homophobia in you (like many of us do). It would do you some good to address it because then you won't feel it necessary to get upset about parades.
- August
If we have no business with the construction of the future or with organizing it for all time, there can still be no doubt about the task confronting us at present: the ruthless criticism of the existing order, ruthless in that it will shrink neither from its own discoveries, nor from conflict with the powers that be.
- Karl Marx
AttackGr...Either you are trolling or you live in a very strange world XD
"Men choose as their prophets those who tell them that their hopes are true." -Lord Dunsany
"As a Marxist, as a Communist and as a free human being, I oppose any Czar, Dear Leader, Premier, Emperor, Kaiser, Dictator, etc, etc. So I tell you; to hell with your Stalins, Hitlers, Maos, and Francos. I oppose any tyrant not because he kills a million people, but because he is a tyrant. I say no to tyranny and oppression, and anyone who disagrees does not belong here." - Iron Felix
First of all you sound like the fucking HRC. Second, You're not a leftist and luckily you will likely soon be banned.
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"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one" - Albert Einstein
If AttackGr is a troll then s/he is a dinosaur troll with laser beams for eyes and trucks which shoot out of his/her troll hands to bestow his/her amazing troll goods upon our forum.
- August
If we have no business with the construction of the future or with organizing it for all time, there can still be no doubt about the task confronting us at present: the ruthless criticism of the existing order, ruthless in that it will shrink neither from its own discoveries, nor from conflict with the powers that be.
- Karl Marx
You should be banned, and I'm not just talking about being banned from revleft
Hold your horses guys, don't charge me so soon, calm down and let your mind speak
I just want to point out that My post (Introduction) was replayed only by few members (thanks for Warm Welcome) third post about European Union was not replayed for days, but now, when suddenly someone does not agree on so called "Pride Parade" whole hell breaks lose...
There are so many of you now, and so many wrong conclusions about my post...But sadly i'm only one Valdemar, therefore i can't anwser you all.
With some of your arguments i agree, and they don't collide with my opinion-arguments, some of your arguments are totally wrong understood. But because i'm not "SuperMan"-i don't have any super natural abbilites
I'll anwser only to few of them:
hindsight20/20 I never said that gay nazi should does not have right to be gay, or anything, I just wanted to point out, that even Nationalits other enemies of LGBT movments are homosexuals... So even NS do not care basicly if somene is homosexual as long he keeps for himself and does not promote it (parades).
I'm not misguided, I only think that parades are not good thing for LGBT community.
Someone said I don't know why Right-Wingers hate homosexuals, in fact i realy do, believe me when i say that. I just said the one and most important thing and not all other traditional religion and other factors or some psychological bs.
Like i said, i support their efforts and their fight, but i don't agree that parade does good things to LGBT!
Also I think, that population would not be supportive of heterosexual parade either.
Someone said that i would support beating non-leftis for fun or somethnig, no i would not, i support revolution and not unnecessary violence.
Someone said that is always outraged when minority standing for humanity...I agree, but i don't agree that parades are right way to do it. And i totaly don't agree that rubbing on their faces will help it.
Some guy with american flag said that i'm enraged...i'm enraged when i see public expresion sexuality of any kind...homo or hetero....
Like i said, I'm only Valdemar, and I can't quote you all...
Now I will ask you one question, which some of us pointed already out=>
WHY DO YOU THINK PARADES ARE GOOD FOR LGBTQ ?
For those who do not get it, due different circumstances:
My only problem with it is that it IS NOT GOOD FOR LGBTQ! That their energy (which is enormous) should be transferred in-to CLASS STRUGLE where their problems would be SOLVED and they would not have to RISK PUBLIC VIOLENCE.
Our goal is revolution, our goal is socialism where ALL humans will have equal rights, and such Pride Parades would not (should not) occur.
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*Why ? reason ? Its easy to scream from crowd "BURN IT, I WANT TO SEE HER/HIM BURN", do you have any reason ?
I actually agree with you on other political topics...
*Why on earth I'm NOT LEFTIST!? And again mob calling "BURN, BURN..." You said i'm not Leftist, well mate, you can't even hear someone who supporting homosexual struggle and not supporting "Pride Parade", you are worse then RIGHT WINGERS!
similar analogy
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“If you tremble indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine.”
