Anti-Fascism as a front:

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I'm aware this "China isn't Communist" argument would come up, hence why I highlighted the word. I certainly don't consider it in any sense a true Communist state, but I do find it interesting that Communists wish to distance themselves from all existing or previously existing Communist states. North Korea isn't Communist, Soviet Russia wasn't Communist, Vietnam wasn't Communist.. etc. It may well be the case that none of these states managed to reach whatever arbitrary distinction signifies "true" communism, but perhaps the problem is with the ideology rather than circumstance?

I could see why someone who never glanced at a history book or only had a vague idea of what "history" was would think that.

Hmm.. Historically, I'm sure you'll concede that the "gradual disappearance of religion" hasn't been quite so 'gradual' in communist states. Tends to be a lot more immediate, in the sense of the churches suddenly being torn down or blown up ;p

1) Good
2) Stalin was p. buddy-buddy with the church anyway.

[Book O'Dead]

You're trying to blame us "extreme communist" for Fascism's failure to attract more than just a fringe of morons like yourself?

Thank you. We accept the blame.

[Cleansing Conspiratorial Revolutionary Flame]

'It is easy to get people to subscribe to simplistic messages such as "anti-racism" or "pro-democracy", yet dig a little deeper into most organizations such as UAF, and you begin to see the real agenda. '

Anti-Racism quite simply is what it implies, it is against Racism; In order to ensure that Racism is not to be allowed to occur and to continue its Pseudo-Scientific Fascist Existence and Pro-Democracy within a Socialist sense is what it implies, it is pushing forward the concept of Proletarian Democratic control over society and the means of production in order to allow for Democracy to prosper.

'People don't want religion stamped out, they don't want enforced atheism'
'Stamping out Religion' is a rather silly concept, allowing for the weakening of exploitative religious practices that seek to economically and socially exploit however is not, neither is allowing for Secularism.

Atheism however is a personal educated choice that is to be made by an Individual, in the same sense that Religion is a personal educated choice that is to be made by an Individual and upheld.
'They don't want the removal of private property, or imposed uniformity. '
'Private Property' is not referring to Personal Possessions, it is in the interests of the the Working Class in order to seize the means of production and hold them in a common democratic fashion as doing otherwise is allowing for an Anti-Democratic Aristocratic styled holding of the means of production to continue.

'Get rid of those big mean fascists over there, who could argue with such a prospect'
Fascists are inherently exploitative Bourgeois Militarist Corporatist enemies and should be regarded as such and will be regarded as such.

' None of these movements can win on their own platform.'
Certainly Fascism will be defeated as it is a exploitative, Bourgeois, Corporatist, Racist, Oppressive thought and a representation of the decaying of Capitalism.

Well, I see apart from the false threat of a ban and an irrelevant observation no-one had a rebuttal to this.

Fascism is unacceptable and a parasite.

[Catmatic Leftist]

"It is easier to be a critic than a creator." This statement was never truer than when applied to anti-fascism. From what I have observed, the nature of anti-fascism is a timid form of Communism, a Communism-lite. It is a method of attempting, by deceit, to trick people into following Communist rhetoric they would otherwise find unpalatable. It is easy to get people to subscribe to simplistic messages such as "anti-racism" or "pro-democracy", yet dig a little deeper into most organizations such as UAF, and you begin to see the real agenda.

The fact of the matter is, the reason Communism (and I use this as a broad term to describe the wider left, as I will deal with in depth later) has made no inroads in the past 20 to 30 years is because people do not wish to sign up to the more 'extreme' elements of the doctrine. People don't want religion stamped out, they don't want enforced atheism. Just look at the rapid growth of religion in ‘communist’ China. They don't want the removal of private property, or imposed uniformity. And the fact of the matter is, Communists know this. Therefore they present: Anti-Fascism! Get rid of those big mean fascists over there, who could argue with such a prospect? People don't notice the sting in the tail.

And then of course there's a matter of, who exactly are these anti-fascists? The answer is simple really: just about anyone. Liberals, Anarchists, Communists, Socialists. Some may see that as a plus, a broad church movement - but really it belies the fact that each movement listed individually failed on its own merits. That no consensus can be reached; that anti-fascism is an ideology that stands for both everything and nothing. None of these movements can win on their own platform. And if they continue to follow this route of burying their policies, they never will.

Well, I see apart from the false threat of a ban and an irrelevant observation no-one had a rebuttal to this.

If you took the time to read my post, I'm criticising anti-fascist movements for failing to stand on their own platform and attempting to use the umbrella term "anti-fascism" to decieve people into believing they're something else.

Also, I think you'll find it's mostly Communists that are the crystal meth takers, it is a rather permissive ideology after all

Well, seeing as this thread has gotten rather lively I'll just deal with the more pressing points in amongst all the junkie banter.

I'm aware this "China isn't Communist" argument would come up, hence why I highlighted the word. I certainly don't consider it in any sense a true Communist state, but I do find it interesting that Communists wish to distance themselves from all existing or previously existing Communist states. North Korea isn't Communist, Soviet Russia wasn't Communist, Vietnam wasn't Communist.. etc. It may well be the case that none of these states managed to reach whatever arbitrary distinction signifies "true" communism, but perhaps the problem is with the ideology rather than circumstance?

Top quality work in detecting opposition on the opposing forums, Sherlock Stalin.

Hmm.. Historically, I'm sure you'll concede that the "gradual disappearance of religion" hasn't been quite so 'gradual' in communist states. Tends to be a lot more immediate, in the sense of the churches suddenly being torn down or blown up ;p

Yup. You Illumanti, and the reptiles. Oh and Xenu. It's all part of your secret plan.