Maoist Third-Worldist Propaganda

[Thug Lessons]

I honestly wouldn't join the LLCO myself because they're, like, crazy, but they also happen to have a decent analysis that makes all the right people go ballistic.

[Chimurenga.]

I don't see anything in there about supporting the bourgeoisie, just a refusal to support pro-union protesters in Wisconsin on the grounds that doing so doesn't solve the problems the author thinks are more important.

Railing on public sector workers as "parasites" isn't, in turn, politically siding with people like Rupert Murdoch and his news network who are in alliance with the bourgeoisie? Seriously?

[Thug Lessons]

Railing on public sector workers as "parasites" isn't, in turn, politically siding with people like Rupert Murdoch and his news network who are in alliance with the bourgeoisie? Seriously?

No, it isn't, just like being against the NATO intervention in Libya doesn't necessarily mean siding with Gaddafi.

[RedSunRising]

I honestly wouldn't join the LLCO myself because they're, like, crazy, but they also happen to have a decent analysis that makes all the right people go ballistic.

Why do you say they are crazy?

[Chimurenga.]

No, it isn't, just like being against the NATO intervention in Libya doesn't necessarily mean siding with Gaddafi.

You might as well join them because you are as idiotic and anti-working class as they are.

[ZrianKobani]

You might as well join them because you are as idiotic and anti-working class as they are.

Flaming >.>

[ZrianKobani]

Why can't you just get down with Kasama or fuck even the RCP like a normal person?

Never said I was a MTWist, I just respect that she's able to debate her point. I know nothing about Kasama and RCP is just Avakian worship so I'll pass.

[Thug Lessons]

Why do you say they are crazy?

Basically what jammoe said about their organizational methods. They're hyper-aggressive evangelists with one of the worst cases of sectarianism I've ever seen. There are good people there and probably most of them aren't crazy individually, but it's fair to describe the LLCO institutionally as such. Also, the Manichean view of the world isn't helping things.

You might as well join them because you are as idiotic and anti-working class as they are.

What on earth are you talking about?

[Chimurenga.]

Flaming >.>

Trolling. <.<

[Hebrew Hammer]

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[Drosophila]

That was almost as bad as the Grady Warren tea party propaganda.

[ZombieRothbard]

There's social peace in America? That's why angry young boys and girls are shooting each other dead in the street trying to get a slice of the pie.

I think that might have more to do with the war on drugs than capitalism.

[Cleansing Conspiratorial Revolutionary Flame]

While I disagree with the LLCO and other 'Third-Worldist' organizations in several key areas, especially relating to the Revolutionary Potential of First World Workers at emancipating themselves from the yoke of Bourgeois Control... Their views relating to encirclement of the First World are rather solid as they allow for a potential uniting of Third World Worker's Revolutionary Federation in order to push forward Proletarian Objectives in the same manner that the First World had previously used in order to force Neo-Liberalism, Capitalism and Imperialism upon the Third World.

[ZombieRothbard]

While I disagree with the LLCO and other 'Third-Worldist' organizations in several key areas, especially relating to the Revolutionary Potential of First World Workers at emancipating themselves from the yoke of Bourgeois Control... Their views relating to encirclement of the First World are rather solid as they allow for a potential uniting of Third World Worker's Revolutionary Federation in order to push forward Proletarian Objectives in the same manner that the First World had previously used in order to force Neo-Liberalism, Capitalism and Imperialism upon the Third World.

Isn't that imperialism also?

[Cleansing Conspiratorial Revolutionary Flame]

Isn't that imperialism also?

Its simply a response to counter-act Imperialism and to completely and utterly erase Imperialism through the same methods that it had previously used, in order to push forward the Proletariat and ensure the foundation of Socialism. More or less, it is simply aiding to Human Liberation.

[ZombieRothbard]

Its simply a response to counter-act Imperialism and to completely and utterly erase Imperialism through the same methods that it had previously used, in order to push forward the Proletariat and ensure the foundation of Socialism. More or less, it is simply aiding to Human Liberation.

Isn't that roughly the same argument neoconservatives use when they talk about democratizing the world? Isn't Maoist Third Worldism basically "imperialism is ok, as long as it is communist". Instead of saying they oppose imperialism, they should say they oppose capitalism, because they seem to support imperialism.

[Cleansing Conspiratorial Revolutionary Flame]

Isn't that roughly the same argument neoconservatives use when they talk about democratizing the world? Isn't Maoist Third Worldism basically "imperialism is ok, as long as it is communist". Instead of saying they oppose imperialism, they should say they oppose capitalism, because they seem to support imperialism.

'Isn't that roughly the same argument neoconservatives use when they talk about democratizing the world? '
And while Imperialism and Capitalism continue to exist, this will continue and remain a static situation in human existence unless corrected through the same means that Imperialism and Capitalism operate.
'Isn't Maoist Third Worldism basically "imperialism is ok, as long as it is communist". Instead'
I can't speak for Maoist-Third Worldists as I'm not one.
'they should say they oppose capitalism, because they seem to support imperialism.'
Proletarian Internationalism through the means of Militarism in order to simply crush Capitalism and Imperialism and afterward to build new with the foundations of a International Proletarian Society is not Imperialism, as unlike Imperialism, it allows for Self-Determination to come about and the foundations of a New World to be formed.

[ZombieRothbard]

'Isn't that roughly the same argument neoconservatives use when they talk about democratizing the world? '
And while Imperialism and Capitalism continue to exist, this will continue and remain a static situation in human existence unless corrected through the same means that Imperialism and Capitalism operate.
'Isn't Maoist Third Worldism basically "imperialism is ok, as long as it is communist". Instead'
I can't speak for Maoist-Third Worldists as I'm not one.
'they should say they oppose capitalism, because they seem to support imperialism.'
Proletarian Internationalism through the means of Militarism in order to simply crush Capitalism and Imperialism and afterward to build new with the foundations of a International Proletarian Society is not Imperialism, as unlike Imperialism, it allows for Self-Determination to come about and the foundations of a New World to be formed.

It doesn't want self-determination. If they wanted self-determination, they wouldn't oppose capitalism, they would just oppose imperialism. And we know they don't oppose imperialism, because it appears that their strategy to toppling the first world is imperialistic.

[Cleansing Conspiratorial Revolutionary Flame]

It doesn't want self-determination. If they wanted self-determination, they wouldn't oppose capitalism, they would just oppose imperialism. And we know they don't oppose imperialism, because it appears that their strategy to toppling the first world is imperialistic.

'It doesn't want self-determination'
Proletarian strangle hold of Imperialist Nations is simply used in order to achieve the destruction of Imperialism in order to ensure that Capitalist Imperialism is incapable of carrying on. Which afterward allows for Proletarian Self-Determination through the rising of the Working Class.
'they wouldn't oppose capitalism, they would just oppose imperialism.'
Capitalism is the basis for Imperialism.
'because it appears that their strategy to toppling the first world is imperialistic.'
It is not Imperialistic as it is used in order to topple Capitalism and Imperialism and to simply push forward the Working Class Revolution on a Global Basis. It is simply used as a form of justice in order to correctly correct the former Imperialism and Capitalism that has been allowed to occur.

[ZombieRothbard]

'It doesn't want self-determination'
Proletarian strangle hold of Imperialist Nations is simply used in order to achieve the destruction of Imperialism in order to ensure that Capitalist Imperialism is incapable of carrying on. Which afterward allows for Proletarian Self-Determination through the rising of the Working Class.

That isn't self determination or countering imperialism, that is imperializing the world and then instituting mandatory communist agenda's to prevent self-determination.

'they wouldn't oppose capitalism, they would just oppose imperialism.'
Capitalism is the basis for Imperialism.

Actually the Soviet Union was imperialist. Ironically, neoconservatism in America was birthed out of a rejection of Soviet imperialism in favor of Democratic imperialism. So this whole "fighting imperialism with imperialism" thing is actually what created this neoconservative revolution in the first world.

'because it appears that their strategy to toppling the first world is imperialistic.'
It is not Imperialistic as it is used in order to topple Capitalism and Imperialism and to simply push forward the Working Class Revolution on a Global Basis. It is simply used as a form of justice in order to correctly correct the former Imperialism and Capitalism that has been allowed to occur.

That doesn't make any sense. You are basically arguing that it isn't imperialistic because it is using imperialism to fight imperialism. It is still imperialistic.

I personally think the neoconservatives and the maoist third-worldists should go fight their imperialistic wars of aggression in another dimension, while the rest of us try to fight for peace. If you want to help the Third World, you will do it by opposing the neo-mercantilist economic policies of the First World. Not by creating an imperialistic war machine out of the impoverished Third World.