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Why is there such dislike for Marxist- Leninists
Seriously I have been noticing some members of the online community have a real hatred of the ML tradition and even its members ....why exactly ??
Note ..if this turns into a massive tendency trolling and someone is banned again I will request a suspension from the Admins.
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Largely to do with class dynamics.
Traitors
Stalinists are probably like "lulz, but he trots are traitors!!111"
Never forget 1923, KomIntern under Sinowjew, back then part of the Stalin fraction, betraying the german workers by failing to call for a general strike which could have paralyzed the whole country and possibly taken over state power.
Never forget 1927, Kuomintang support of the SU, later mass slaughter of communists by the Kuomintang.
Never forget 1934, rise of fascism due to failure to unite communist workers with social democratic workers because of "social fascism".
Never forget GPU terror aimed at communists.
Never forget Gulags housing old worker bolsheviks.
Never forget Stalin declaring socialism to have been reached, simultanously revising Marx' and Lenin's understanding of socialism.
Never forget Stalin justificating cases of rape done by the Red Army.
Never forget criminalization of homosexuality, abolition.
Never forget closure of mosques, effectively revising the "freedom of religion" of Lenin.
Never forget reinstalling the old bourgeois military ranks.
Stalin. What a nice smile you have. But there's someone looking down from above, an old man you've probably already forgotten, since you've spit on his grave back then and many more times through you being the leading figure of the bureaocracy, the symbol of what has become of the worker's state.
Does he smile?
Last edited by Тачанка; 9th June 2011 at 20:24.
Wasnt Lenin still alive in 1923? Did Trotsky protest this?
Do you feel as strongly about Lenin and Trotsky telling Turkish Communists to disarm and ally with the Kemalists who later butchered them?
Who exactly was Sinowjew?
Only the Red Front did attempt a united front of all class concious workers from below, and of course you are leaving out on purpose the fact that the SDP called the Communists worse than Nazies and was involved not only in the murder of the Spartacusists but Communist workers later on which would not endear them to Communists, no?
I do, I think it was a betrayal of class politics in the national interests of the Russian state.
Devrim
I can give you a couple reasons why I personally dislike Marxist-Leninists (ideology, not people):
1) Historical feteshism: A tend to see history as an end in itself, and not as a means to better understand the present. History is so complex that it should be a miracle if two people came to an agreement about what happened 100 years ago, instead MLs insist that the inerpretation of a particular historical event is crucial to the ideology, and any deviation is outside the pale.
2) Personality cult: Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Mao, etc. etc.
3) Democratic Centralism: The working class (which is not a hive-mind) is the only revolutionary class, not any party. We aim for social revolution not a political one.
Having said this MLs are still comrades of mine.
I think the idea that any particular tendency is "correct" and the others "incorrect" is stupid. They're all probably going to become even more irrelevant when the working class makes it's move.
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards capital to be born?
And I would say that the survival of the Soviet state as well as the weakening of western Imperialism was in the international interests of the working class. However on this occasion the Comintern did make a tragic mistake, the point though is that its hypocritical of Trotskyites to attack the Comintern under Stalin when similar charges could be laid at the feet of their dear leader.
well thats a good start, really this is annoying and makes the users here who uses words like this also annoying.
+ some "marxist-leninist-maoists" who pretty much say" you dont support this or that group you're reactionary, bourgois, imperialist and what not" its also annoying.
i could go on but this is just what annoyed me about some marxist leninists latley.
All i want is a Marxist Hunk.
It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
People use the meaningless term "Stalinist" here quite freely so I cant see what the big deal is.
the difference would be "ist" and "ite" here. if the term "stalinist" is meaningless is debatable at least, the term "trotzkyite" is just an insult and nothing else. wich awnsers part of the op question for me at least.
All i want is a Marxist Hunk.
It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
i think Sinowjew is Zinoviev.
FKA Vacant
"snook up behind him and took his koran, he said sumthin about burnin the koran. i was like DUDE YOU HAVE NO KORAN and ran off." - Jacob Isom, Amarillo Resident.
could be, i know its written sinowjew in my country instead of zinoviev, but then again here its trotzki and not trosky.
All i want is a Marxist Hunk.
It is true that labor produces for the rich wonderful things – but for the worker it produces privation. It produces palaces – but for the worker, hovels. It produces beauty – but for the worker, deformity. It replaces labor by machines, but it throws one section of the workers back into barbarous types of labor and it turns the other section into a machine. It produces intelligence – but for the worker, stupidity, cretinism.
Wer hat uns verraten? Sozialdemokraten!
Is that a misspelling or some type of prejudice? O.o
Because MLs tend to be exceptionally poorly educated in basic history, and insist on making quasi-theological arguments in the form of endless recitations. Note the inability to accept any source not published before 1956 or not within their cults. I think most probably suffer from personal psychological or social pathologies.
im actually not going to count that as a possibility. it was a trotskyite that posted it. and anyone who is a trot or a leninist is not anti-semetic.
if a trot attacks the soviet union on jewish party leadership or membership, then why are they a trot? trotsky was himself jewish.
so, no, i dont think it is some kind of prejudicial attack on the soviet union. '
remember, the "J" in basically germany eastwards represents a "y" like sound. "Majakovskij" for example is "Mayakovsky"
also, W commonly represents a "v" like sound.
FKA Vacant
"snook up behind him and took his koran, he said sumthin about burnin the koran. i was like DUDE YOU HAVE NO KORAN and ran off." - Jacob Isom, Amarillo Resident.
Sorry for using the german form of the russian names, LOL, laughed at myself about "sinowJEW"
