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Greece On The Brink of Revolutionary Situation
Half a million protesters in Athens - Uprising across the country!
Excellent ... Excellent ... Excellent!!!!
http://www.marxist.com/greece-on-the...-situation.htm
Last edited by Rakhmetov; 6th June 2011 at 17:07.
Greece is really going at it. I think Spain is next. They already had student protests earlier.
If this is the revolution we ve been giving our sweat and blood all these years, please allow me to miss the premiere...
What's even more impressive is that Athens only has 750,000 people. So right wingers can't talk about a silent "majority".
“How in the hell could a man enjoy being awakened at 6:30 a.m. by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, shit, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?” Charles Bukowski, Factotum
"In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, as 'right-to-work.' It provides no 'rights' and no 'works.' Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom of collective bargaining... We demand this fraud be stopped." MLK
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Athens has more than 5 mill. And they were NOT 500.000 yesterday. There were 200.000 the most.
What really. I thought that Athens was around 750 k with the metro area being 3.5 mil.
So is it an exaggeration of the size of the protest? In any case, it might not be full scale revolution yet, but even in a couple of months I could see a full scale revolutionary movement.
“How in the hell could a man enjoy being awakened at 6:30 a.m. by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, shit, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?” Charles Bukowski, Factotum
"In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, as 'right-to-work.' It provides no 'rights' and no 'works.' Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom of collective bargaining... We demand this fraud be stopped." MLK
-fka Redbrother
Really?What kind of revolution is that?
A leftist one. Not because of the protests that happened today but because there is a crisis in capitalism and the bourgeoisie cannot make it go away this time. But then again the future is difficult to predict.
“How in the hell could a man enjoy being awakened at 6:30 a.m. by an alarm clock, leap out of bed, dress, force-feed, shit, piss, brush teeth and hair, and fight traffic to get to a place where essentially you made lots of money for somebody else and were asked to be grateful for the opportunity to do so?” Charles Bukowski, Factotum
"In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being fooled by false slogans, as 'right-to-work.' It provides no 'rights' and no 'works.' Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom of collective bargaining... We demand this fraud be stopped." MLK
-fka Redbrother
So what kind of revolution are you waiting for?
If this is the revolution we ve been giving our sweat and blood all these years, please allow me to miss the premiere...
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I'm not trying to be snide or anything, but I do find it interesting that (to my knowledge) our only greek member that posts regularly seems to be growing more and more pessimistic. Is that a fair thing to say, AttackGr?
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I hope that isn't the case, seeing as Greece was one of the first to say no to austerity packages since they were implemented. Maybe AttackGr could give us some insight into the situation as it appears on the ground.
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No, Greece is not on the brink of a revolutionary situation. Let me give you some advice - read something other than Marxist.com. Like the WSWS, or really anything else.
This is like saying that "I saw lots of people demonstrating against the war in Afghanistan, this probably means the war will soon end."
The latest wave of protests in Greece were inspired by earlier large protests in Spain, so no, Spain isnt next, the protests has already been there.
But I dont think we should underestimate the possibilities of the situation in the PIIGS countries in Europe (and others as well). There has in fact been 9 general strikes in Greece since the beginning of the crisis (if I remember correctly...)
What are the tangible goals of the Greek protests?
This is one thing that the European protests have lacked in comparison to, say, the mid-east protests. Someone like Mubarak leaving power in and of itself is structurally insignificant, but it was tangible and could be accomplished...I don't see that with these protests. Power is defused enough that there is no focal point for the rage, and everything seems very unfocused, very general.
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
And if there was a genuine revolutionary situation, i think we all know there would be immediate intervention to "stabilize" the country.
Occupied London puts the number at about 150,000 in Athens.
It's still a positive development, though. Just the fact that quite a few people are engaged and in the streets is better than, well, if they weren't.
"Win, lose or draw...long as you squabble and you get down, that's gangsta."
Whatever the number or outcome, this is positive.
I'd still like an update from AttackGr, though. Perhaps he can start a sticky on the matter?
¡Viva la revolución!
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well...I think in Greece's case things are quite complicated. For one, the Greek bourgeoisie, the middle class, have been overspending for decades now...similar to the USA people have been spending way above their income. And so did the government. I think the blame for the crisis lies partly on both sides, because the people and the government should regulate each other in a working democracy. Seems that no one really had a clue that it was all going to be clusterfucked this bad in case of a crisis. Lets hope they can implement social reforms that will bring them on the right...er left way
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You always take some insignificant event and then prop it up to make it seem like we're on the brink of revolution.
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also, I'm not saying this protest was insignificant, but I am saying that it is most definitely not a revolutionary situation.
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