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The class that never ruled the Soviet Union: on Party members of working-class origin
I won't go into political debates regarding Soviet workers in relation to the Soviet state past the thread title, but I thought of dedicating a thread to those major Party members who had a working-class background, regardless of political controversies, among whom were:
Sergei Medvedev, Gavril Myasnikov, Yan Rudzutak, Alexander Shliapnikov, and Mikhail Tomsky
Nikolai Bulganin, Lazar Kaganovich, Sergei Kirov, Stanislav Kosior, and Kliment Voroshilov
Yekaterina Furtseva, Andrei Kirilenko, Alexei Kosygin, Pyotr Masherov, Kirill Mazurov, Arvid Pelshe, Nikolai Podgorny, Nikolai Tikhonov, and Dmitri Ustinov
Last edited by Die Neue Zeit; 15th May 2011 at 03:37.
"A new centrist project does not have to repeat these mistakes. Nobody in this topic is advocating a carbon copy of the Second International (which again was only partly centrist)." (Tjis, class-struggle anarchist)
"A centrist strategy is based on patience, and building a movement or party or party-movement through deploying various instruments, which I think should include: workplace organising, housing struggles [...] and social services [...] and a range of other activities such as sports and culture. These are recruitment and retention tools that allow for a platform for political education." (Tim Cornelis, left-communist)
I don't understand the purpose of the thread? What counts is the relationship of a class to the means of production. Some Soviet leaders were brought in from the working class does not mean this class ran things.
There was the famous "Lenin levy": after Lenin died in which Stalin increased the size of the Party. This doesn't mean the class ruled as a class of and for itself.
You are leading up to something though.....
To love. To be loved. To never forget your own insignificance. To never get used to the unspeakable violence and the vulgar disparity of life around you. To seek joy in the saddest places. To pursue beauty to its lair. To never simplify what is complicated or complicate what is simple. To respect strength, never power. Above all, to watch. To try and understand. To never look away. And never, never, to forget
Arundhati Roy
Lenina Rosenweg is a glorious beacon of light
Comrade, I just wanted to salute those Party leaders of working-class background, even if other forces hostile to working-class rule were at work. BTW, I didn't mention either Brezhnev or Yezhov so as not to spark controversy by stretching the political limits, even if both did indeed have working-class backgrounds.
"A new centrist project does not have to repeat these mistakes. Nobody in this topic is advocating a carbon copy of the Second International (which again was only partly centrist)." (Tjis, class-struggle anarchist)
"A centrist strategy is based on patience, and building a movement or party or party-movement through deploying various instruments, which I think should include: workplace organising, housing struggles [...] and social services [...] and a range of other activities such as sports and culture. These are recruitment and retention tools that allow for a platform for political education." (Tim Cornelis, left-communist)
"If conquest constituted a natural right on the part of the few, the many have only to gather sufficient strength in order to acquire the natural right of reconquering what has been taken from them." The Nationalisation of the Land Karl Marx
"To belittle the socialist ideology in anyway, to turn aside from it in the slightest degree means to strengthen bourgeois ideology." What Is To Be Done? V.I. Lenin
Khrushchev came from a peasant background, no?
Last edited by Die Neue Zeit; 15th May 2011 at 07:41.
"A new centrist project does not have to repeat these mistakes. Nobody in this topic is advocating a carbon copy of the Second International (which again was only partly centrist)." (Tjis, class-struggle anarchist)
"A centrist strategy is based on patience, and building a movement or party or party-movement through deploying various instruments, which I think should include: workplace organising, housing struggles [...] and social services [...] and a range of other activities such as sports and culture. These are recruitment and retention tools that allow for a platform for political education." (Tim Cornelis, left-communist)
did they own land though, or were they tenets? http://books.google.com/books?id=8n7...20land&f=false because if they owned no land, i may dare say they were "rural proletarians".
Plus, Khrushchev himself worked as a brick layer, and in a factory, as a railway man, as a miner ... all proletarian jobs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khrushev#Early_years
"If conquest constituted a natural right on the part of the few, the many have only to gather sufficient strength in order to acquire the natural right of reconquering what has been taken from them." The Nationalisation of the Land Karl Marx
"To belittle the socialist ideology in anyway, to turn aside from it in the slightest degree means to strengthen bourgeois ideology." What Is To Be Done? V.I. Lenin
Individual background has nothing to do with class politics in of itself.
Stalin??
My grandparents where workingclass peasants and printers, my parents middle class psychologists, I'm an former garbage man turned bouncer atempting to become an artist/art teacher.
Does any of this say anything worthwhile about my politics?
The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven. What matter where, if I be still the same, And what I should be, all but less than he Whom thunder hath made greater?
Here at least We shall be free
You are the most Bourgeois Garbage Man ever!
